To hell with it.

[Franko]

Why is A.org so warm and fuzzy all of a sudden? It feels like we have had a big argument and have just made up so everyones being nice to everyone

[Kesa]

Franko! i just saw your youtube videos. That accent is almost impossible to understand. Was the commentary before or after your meds?

[Franko]

Franko! i just saw your youtube videos. That accent is almost impossible to understand. Was the commentary before or after your meds?

ach naw rats jist ra wie whay talk roon rees parts, it's dead easy tae understaun wance yuv hid a couple o swallies an it's aways guid fur makin a few boab aff ra tourists at ra Embra festival durin ra summer...

[coldfish]

Back on topic (sort of).

I left the Amiga scene around the time all the FPS's were made.  Years later, after owning a PS1 and PC I bought an A1200 and played through a lot of the things I missed.

THB, most Amiga FPS seemed a bit clumsy/unsophisticated to me, either in the gfx or gameplay compared to what I'd played on those other platforms.  

I think Breathless stood out as something on par with what the PS1 could do, this was pretty impressive as the PS1 was built for 3D and the Amiga wasnt. The A1200 probably should've had a 25-40Mhz '030 as standard.

[runequester]

Back on topic (sort of).
 
I left the Amiga scene around the time all the FPS's were made. Years later, after owning a PS1 and PC I bought an A1200 and played through a lot of the things I missed.
 
THB, most Amiga FPS seemed a bit clumsy/unsophisticated to me, either in the gfx or gameplay compared to what I'd played on those other platforms.
 
I think Breathless stood out as something on par with what the PS1 could do, this was pretty impressive as the PS1 was built for 3D and the Amiga wasnt. The A1200 probably should've had a 25-40Mhz '030 as standard.

Yeah, some of them are pretty cheesy
I have an unhealthy enjoyment of them though.
 
I'd actually say Breathless, at least graphically, looked nicer than Medal of Honor. Much bigger levels too.
 
 
In the end though, 15some years later, we can enjoy them on their own

[coldfish]

Like Bruce Campbell movies.  Cheesy but enjoyable.

[runequester]

Like Bruce Campbell movies.  Cheesy but enjoyable.

Pretty much yeah

[fishy_fiz]

While it is good to have eventually gotten some games that assume a person has at least a moderately upgraded aga machine, I find it a shame that there were no games that required an expanded aga machine that played to it's strengths rather than copying the trends elsewhere. A '030 based aga machine with 8 meg fast (as a random example) couldve been much closer to saturn/ps1/3do/pc quality than megadrive/snes had it been used to its strengths. Who knows, maybe one day we'll still see something like that

[fishy_fiz]

Oh, and speaking of Bruce Campbell, if anyone wants to know what it's like to be on drugs, without actually having to do them, just watch Bubba Ho-Tep.  

[coldfish]

I loved Bubba Ho-Tep 1. If you liked that, watch My Name is Bruce.

On your first point; the A500 being the target platform for 99% of games is a real problem if you have something with better specs.
 
I was a bit frustrated once I had a moderately upgraded A1200 to find very little (any?) AAA titles that used my hardware.  For games, it was really not much better than owning an A500 apart from the FPS stuff.

[runequester]

I loved Bubba Ho-Tep 1. If you liked that, watch My Name is Bruce.

On your first point; the A500 being the target platform for 99% of games is a real problem if you have something with better specs.
 
I was a bit frustrated once I had a moderately upgraded A1200 to find very little (any?) AAA titles that used my hardware.  For games, it was really not much better than owning an A500 apart from the FPS stuff.

yeah, game developers were really to blame there.

[coldfish]

I guess there wasnt room on the OCS/ECS floppy for AGA enhanced code, and anyway it would've been more work for a fraction of the market.  Still, for an eye candy junky, like me it wouldve been nice to see more sprites, rotation, scaling, transparancy effects in games.

[runequester]

I guess there wasnt room on the OCS/ECS floppy for AGA enhanced code, and anyway it would've been more work for a fraction of the market.  Still, for an eye candy junky, like me it wouldve been nice to see more sprites, rotation, scaling, transparancy effects in games.

It seems better/more sound effects was more common, but that was more a function of more RAM than anything else.

[desiv]

It seems better/more sound effects was more common, but that was more a function of more RAM than anything else.

It's interesting that, in general, PC developers didn't feel the same way.
They pretty consistantly developed at hardware that wasn't common, basically forcing people to upgrade to really enjoy their games.

And it worked..

There wasn't a huge CDROM market on PCs when Myst and 7th Guest were released..  a lot of people bought CDROMs just for that..
(Well, and the Groliers Encyclopedia that I got with my first 1x CDROM ;-)

But they got you in small increments..  
A video card was, generally (there were always the high end, but) $200.
Sound card, less than $200.  CDROM, less than $200.  Faster CPU, less than $200, etc..

But, to upgrade the Amiga, it was:
Accelerator/RAM, $500.
CDRom (for the 1200, would have been something like the Squirrel PCMCIA and an external CDROM) for .. something much more than $200...

Just, on the Amiga, the chunks were too huge..

PCs got me a smaller chunk at a time..
(I hope you appreciate that I didn't do a really bad CHUNK/CHUNKY2PLANAR joke here...  I was considering it... )

Actually, if there was something like WHDLOAD at the time, that would have been a huge reason to upgrade..  The ability to put your games on the Hard Drive (a lot of which were "floppy only") AND not have to reboot to exit them?  That "might" have been worth the cost of an accelerator/RAM at the time..  If I could have scraped it up (College Student then..)..

desiv

[runequester]

I dont remember costs being quite that cheap, but some of that depends on location too,I imagine. I grew up in Denmark, and our first PC was about 1300 US dollars, for a piece of crap in 98.

Your point stands though.


Apologies people for not starting a thread last night. Work kind of killed me

[coldfish]

My first PC was a used 386 for $200.  A love/hate sort of thing so I didnt want to blow too much cash on a PC.

I soon got hooked on the incremental upgrade/tweak cycle, (loads of cheap used parts) 486DX board for $30, 8x as much RAM $20, bigger HD $10...  in the end that machine booted Win3.1 in about 5 seconds and was fast and stable and I actually liked using it.  AND to stay on topic, after the board and RAM swap FPS's flew; from 16-20 to 90+ frames per second, it was a massive visible upgrade.

To get similar for my A500 wouldve cost $1000+.