My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[dammy]

If it's called an Amiga it should run AmigaOS, Moochie would agreed.

It can't by legal agreement between AI and Hyperion.

[mbrantley]

You missed the rest of the sentence that quote came from and it's extremely important since it a qualifier in nature.

Is it the the clause that reads "to the extent that such Software Architecture is protectable under the copyright laws of the United States..." or something else?

Forgive me for not quoting more directly. The copy of the settlement that was just sent me is a PDF in a form that doesn't allow me to easily copy and paste.

I'm a mere layman trying to understand the settlement and how it may pertain to the situation at hand. You can see where I stand on the matter :-) but in the case of reading the settlement I'm just trying to understand what the legal situation is.

[EDanaII]

an up to date Amiga OS would need billions to make commercially successful... It is as viable as is space elevator.

If I've told you once, I've told you a billion times: don't exaggerate! (And you are exaggerating.)

However, the gist of my argument still isn't they should do an AmigaOS. I'd welcome it if they would, however: if it doesn't have AmigaOS, don't call it Amiga. There are expectations that come with that name that the cannot fulfill, whatever the reason.

Leo said something about still wanting to support AROS(and bounties), so you may yet get your wish.

Which is all some of us are asking.


@ Dammy:

It can't by legal agreement between AI and Hyperion.

All the more reason to leave the name alone, then.

[WolfToTheMoon]

If I've told you once, I've told you a billion times: don't exaggerate! (And you are exaggerating.)

I'm not exaggerating... first you'd have to rewrite the entire OS, because the current ones are stuck in the 90s in basic features. Then you'd have to get hardware manufacturers to write drivers for it. Then you'd have to write some apps, pay other companies to port theirs to your platform. Then you'd have to market it, which alone would cost you a very large amount of money(commercials on TV, newspapers, internet). After all that, you're still a long way of being sure you will succeed in attracting a lrge enough user base. So my billions are spot on the money

However, the gist of my argument still isn't they should do an AmigaOS. I'd welcome it if they would, however: if it doesn't have AmigaOS, don't call it Amiga. There are expectations that come with that name that the cannot fulfill, whatever the reason.

Workbench X will be a Amiga OS. It will run on Amigas and it will be produced by Commodore. Thus, it becomes an Amiga OS. Your argument that it will not be related to any of the current amiga like OSes is valid.

[dammy]

@ Dammy:

All the more reason to leave the name alone, then.

Yup, AmigaOS will not be used in conjunction with C=USA Amigas.

[dammy]

Workbench X will be a Amiga OS. It will run on Amigas and it will be produced by Commodore. Thus, it becomes an Amiga OS. Your argument that it will not be related to any of the current amiga like OSes is valid.

We don't know the name of the follow on OS yet.  As I have said before, I'm not overly interested in WB5 but the follow on that has my attention.

[commodorejohn]

Workbench X will be a Amiga OS. It will run on Amigas and it will be produced by Commodore. Thus, it becomes an Amiga OS. Your argument that it will not be related to any of the current amiga like OSes is valid.

It is indeed valid, although I suspect that was a typo on your part ;P Simply sticking a name on something doesn't make it a different thing.

[Duce]

The entire concept that this company is going to do mainstream television advertising is quite honestly the most silly thing I've heard yet, regardless of who their partners are.  I always knew the C= fanatics here were sheep like, but really - setting cash aside for a TV ad campaign that targets C= fans, you're preaching to the wrong choir, lol.  The TV ad idea is a preposterous waste of money.  99.99% of the computer using mainstream market doesn't want a clickety clackity 80's-esque computing experience, much less a Linux/emulation one, or one with Win installed on it that looks like it has a gimped keyboard.  I hope they've got an elegant solution to that one (Win on that C 64 remake).  If they don't, that keyboard on that new 64 would be absolutely useless to a guy like me that uses keycombos in windows more than a mouse.

No one but a C= fan will have any interest in these things unless C-USA is damned near willing to give them away.  

Thanks for the report, Red.  Gave me a little optimism for you C64 guys out there, at least the thing seems to look the part.  I'd just personally take the 3 hours and couple hundred bucks that it would need and make a 64/Mini-ITX casemod, but I admittedly have no interest in the C 64.  I wish the interview gave me some hope for their Amiga efforts, but I'm afraid I don't see a single innovative thing they are proposing.

That being said, I'm likely not their target market.  For a couple hundred bucks I can build a UAE rig, AROS rig, or buy a Mac and register MorphOS.  I hope their pricing is attractive enough that their Amiga offerings will be viable, but for the life of me I can't figure out how they will be in the day and age of $250 Bestbuy PC's that you can simply install a linux distro and UAE on yourself.  I don't see a darned thing I couldn't do for myself, I suppose.  I still see it as cashing in on a brandname that should have been left to sleep peacefully years ago.

[Khephren]

an up to date Amiga OS would need billions to make commercially successful... It is as viable as is space elevator.

Amiga is something that was once successful, and is no longer.
And an orbital lift tower (i'm a brit, so it's the law that I don't use the word elevator )is something we defineltly need to have, and to make viable with all expediancy.

back on topic though, I need to read that 43 page doc, or at least be pointed to a thread about it, can anyone help?

[WolfToTheMoon]

And an orbital lift tower (i'm a brit, so it's the law that I don't use the word elevator )is something we defineltly need to have, and to make viable with all expediancy.

100% with you on that

[orb85750]

@redrumloa
Thanks for your thoughtful report.  But still no interest here in PCs in disguise, or in the CUSA vision of the new "Amiga."  Even worse is their lack of ethics in marketing, stealing artwork, hyping, etc.  There are too many better Amiga choices out there already (fortunately).

[TheBilgeRat]

an up to date Amiga OS would need billions to make commercially successful... It is as viable as is space elevator.

Citation needed.

[takemehomegrandma]

Hyperion won in court, that's good enough for me.

No they didn't. They settled. And how you can regard the terms in settlement a victory for hyperion is beyond me...

[commodorejohn]

Citation needed.

What do you mean? Wolftothemoon said it, so it must be true! He even talked about all the things you'd need to do and made up some numbers to go with them!

[TheBilgeRat]

What do you mean? Wolftothemoon said it, so it must be true! He even talked about all the things you'd need to do and made up some numbers to go with them!

I was just gonna ask the workers on an up to date AmigaOS (say, Piru) where their cut of that billion dollar pie is...

[Digiman]

Maybe they should invent a time machine? Or Warp drive? because that's as realistic as your proposal(PS3 boards or Natami).

Putting NatAmi inside a PC case which looks like an A3000? :roflmao: if that is unrealistic then there is no hope C= USA will produce anything other than some bullshit low-end PC x86 motherboard in a Amiga lookalike case and stick on crappy Linux and UAE that can't even play PPC 266mhz games for Amiga

Did you speak to Sony? Do you know for a fact they would never ever let you purchase their motherboard to expand their market share at a price of their choosing? No. Which is the same really for all pro C=USA trolls in here...they know nothing and yet they think they know everything