My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[redrumloa]

Without pointing fingers, some people are still launching personal attacks in this thread. TOS clearly prohibit personal attacks. You may dislike a product as much as you wish but if you resort to personal attacks, you will receive infractions.

Last warning.

[Franko]

I will give those guys a chance, because it seems the most reasonable attempt to revive the Amiga that I've seem in a decade. I appreciate what they are doing as much as I do appreciate AROS and Natami and Minimigs.

You see I don't get why folk can make a statement like that and believe it, they are not attempting to revive the Amiga they are setting up a business that will sell PCs running an Amiga emulator, that in no way can be described as reviving the Amiga...

[dammy]

You see I don't get why folk can make a statement like that and believe it, they are not attempting to revive the Amiga they are setting up a business that will sell PCs running an Amiga emulator, that in no way can be described as reviving the Amiga...

Unless of course they are planning to revive it with a modern Amigaoid OS, then the emulator/sandbox is for backward capability for the original OS. So far, all you have seen is the C64x and the Vic series but you want to point to the C64x/Vic as the new Amiga, which it isn't.

[Darrin]

Unless of course they are planning to revive it with a modern Amigaoid OS, then the emulator/sandbox is for backward capability for the original OS. So far, all you have seen is the C64x and the Vic series but you want to point to the C64x/Vic as the new Amiga, which it isn't.

Question:  Do you even understand what you're supposed to be selling?

[Belial6]

If the brand is so worthless, the existing Amiga community are not interested in a Windows 7/Linux box with an Amiga badge on, anyone who does remember the Amiga will just think of a groundbreaking computer from the 80s/90s, so this machine will not interest them when they see it's just the same as the pc they have sitting on their desk at home.

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Amiga fans will take a Windows box wearing an Amiga badge as the ultimate insult, so that small market is alienated already.

This is verifiable false.  I am interested and clearly not insulted.  I am not the only one.

[Franko]

Unless of course they are planning to revive it with a modern Amigaoid OS, then the emulator/sandbox is for backward capability for the original OS. So far, all you have seen is the C64x and the Vic series but you want to point to the C64x/Vic as the new Amiga, which it isn't.

Glad to see you've stopped the name calling, much appreciated thank you...
(as it was becoming a bit tedious for the other members here as I think you will have noted)

Anyway I don't think me or you are ever going to be able to agree on this subject, you know your opinions and I know mine and to me we're just going round and round in circles here going over the exact same subject time & time again.

Unless someone comes up with something new to debate on this subject or makes a claim that I strongly disagree with, then I'm outa this one for the time being...

[persia]

Yep, C=USA/Amiga Inc might say that they won, being able to dump the boat anchor AmigaOS...

No they didn't. They settled. And how you can regard the terms in settlement a victory for hyperion is beyond me...

[mbrantley]

I am interested and clearly not insulted.  I am not the only one.

OK. You are interested in buying a PC running Linux or Windows and carrying a Commodore Amiga brand, right? Assuming you already have one of those without the Commodore Amiga brand affixed to it, what does the nameplate (let's assume it's more than a sticker) get you?

I'm asking because I just really do not understand.

And I am not at all opposed to the x86 architecture. I think that's where we should be, but if we are not running our operating system on that architecture what are we doing that's "Amiga" exactly? What's the appeal of getting on those forums and writing about and reading about Amiga if the interest is really Windows and Linux?

I'm starting to wish I had been an Atari user.

[desiv]

Assuming you already have one of those without the Commodore Amiga brand affixed to it, what does the nameplate (let's assume it's more than a sticker) get you?

You might as well ask people who buy Dell or Sony or HP the same question.

Sometimes it's specs.  Sometimes it's price.  Sometimes it's looks.  Sometimes it's the name.

That's just the way it works sometimes...

There's nothing wrong with that, per se...

Wow..  People take this thing very seriously...    

desiv

[KThunder]

Simply not true, AmigaOs 4.x not only retains source codes, file structures, and pretty much everything from the Commodore days, but it also runs Amiga apps. This "Workbench 5" Linux distro will not run any Amiga apps, it will run Linux apps, therefore your insistence that Workbench 5 is no less an "Amiga" than Os4 is total bollocks. Os4 may not be made by commodore/amiga, but it IS the Amiga OS we've known and loved for the last three decades, I can still run my 1985 version of Graphicraft on it if I want to, along with Deluxe Paint, Wordworth, Imagine etc. Os4 is still the same Amiga operating system, just recompiled for Ppc.

You are quite late to this stupid discussion, took an old post of mine totally out of context and got it all wrong... good job.

I never said workbench 5 was amiga, in fact I said it was linux, with open office.

what I did say was amiga was OS4, MOS and Aros. Aros shares as much as OS4 with OS3.x as OS4 does. Same reimplimented but same function code, file structures, pretty much everything from commodore days. MOS I don't know as much but from what I understand is similar. Aros is practically the same amiga os recompiled for x86 mostly and mos is for PPC Both are the same as the amiga os we have known and loved for 25yrs.

Your attack on my logic is "bollocks"

[mbrantley]

You might as well ask people who buy Dell or Sony or HP the same question.

But Dell and Sony and HP have always meant Windows PCs. Even Commodore on occasion (much to their fiscal regret). Amiga? No.

Wow..  People take this thing very seriously...    

Yeah. :-) My pressure is up.

[runequester]

But Dell and Sony and HP have always meant Windows PCs. Even Commodore on occasion (much to their fiscal regret). Amiga? No.

There's more to PC's than windows my friend.

[mbrantley]

There's more to PC's than windows my friend.

Yes, I know. I just built an i7 quad-core that runs Snow Leopard as its main OS and also has hard drives dedicated to Ubuntu and Win7. It lacks driver support for AROS, but if there was a native version of AmigaOS for it I'd let you put an Amiga sticker on it, ;-)

[runequester]

Yes, I know. I just built an i7 quad-core that runs Snow Leopard as its main OS and also has hard drives dedicated to Ubuntu and Win7. It lacks driver support for AROS, but if there was a native version of AmigaOS for it I'd let you put an Amiga sticker on it, ;-)

We'll need to get some Commodore Amiga Iran stickers made.
 
Failing that, I have a sharpie around here

[mbrantley]

Failing that, I have a sharpie around here

Now we're on to something. :-D I just got a Sharpie that writes in silver -- great for black cases.

But in all seriousness, I just looked over this whole thread and see that I have made every point that is on my mind and have started to repeat myself. I'll let others chase this around in circles for a little while as I go enjoy my Amigas and Amiga compatibles. (Defined by me as computers that natively run the Amiga operating system -- still fun after all these years.)

[EDanaII]

@ WolfToTheMoon:

I'm not exaggerating... first you'd have to rewrite the entire OS, because the current ones are stuck in the 90s in basic features. Then you'd have to get hardware manufacturers to write drivers for it. Then you'd have to write some apps, pay other companies to port theirs to your platform. Then you'd have to market it, which alone would cost you a very large amount of money(commercials on TV, newspapers, internet). After all that, you're still a long way of being sure you will succeed in attracting a lrge enough user base. So my billions are spot on the money

Really? So, you know for a fact that they'd rewrite the OS from scratch? You know exactly how many man-hours are required and the salaries of all the people that would be needed? You know exactly what *I* meant when I said "an up-to-date AmigaOS?"

Them's some pretty impressive skills you got there...

Workbench X will be a Amiga OS. It will run on Amigas and it will be produced by Commodore. Thus, it becomes an Amiga OS. Your argument that it will not be related to any of the current amiga like OSes is valid.

"My coke tastes funny!"


@ Dammy:

Yup, AmigaOS will not be used in conjunction with C=USA Amigas.

Not what I mean, Randy, not what I meant.

I've been chatting a little on the side with Tim, I know a little bit about what's going on with that so-called "follow on" OS and I ain't got a problem with it. Even offered to help if I can, but until then -- and assuming what form it finally takes -- C=USA would be wise to stay away from the Amiga brand. It's just gonna explode in their faces, just like New Coke did. MHO, of course.