Commodore Scotland Under Threat...

[haywirepc]

Anyone who complained about your site is probably one of the people still trying to rob the grave of amiga. (or they have close friends who are those people)
 
These people will never concede it, but no one can prove ownership of anything like amiga roms or wb 1.x-3.x. They never prove they own anything, merely say "prove I don't own it." which is a bullshit argument.
 
If I own something, a car a house, I can certainly show proof of ownership and would if there was ever any question. The same would go for any business holdings I have.
 
Never once has any of these people claiming ownership proven ownership of either os roms, source, names, trademarks, patents.
 
NEVER. Not once. Now they may sue each other and claim ownership, but never has anyone really challenged any of their claims.
 
The rights have transferred so many times and most of those contracts are no longer valid because many of the parties do not exist.
 
In regards to AINC especially, illegal and unlawful transfer of ownership from shell to shell would negate their legal claims. Look it up.
A decent lawyer would destroy them in court.
 
Amiga IP transferred so many times, no one can legally prove ownership of anything. If they tell you otherwise, I have an attorney who can surely prove otherwise.
 
In regard to the games, I think a message saying if anyone objects to their content being hosted here, merely email me and it will be taken down as soon as I receive the email is suffecient. The truth is, most people don't object. Like I said, its only the amiga grave robbers that cry and
complain and always try and start trouble.
 
As far as A.org having liability. Placing a notice in the terms of service stating that if you post pirate/commercial links YOU are responsible not A.org, thats suffecient to cover themselves legally. This is a bullshit argument for siding with the grave robbers. (no offense)
 
Franko...
Care to mirror your old site? I have alot of bandwidth I'm not using and great bulldog lawyer.
 
Steven

[Franko]

Hi Steven

Thanks for the comments and offer, but things aren't over yet or quite as they seem. Right now I have several backers who are working out things behind the scenes thanks to some very kind and generous offers I received in personal emails to me through my site.

In fact some of the names involved totally shocked me and I though it was a joke at first but have managed to verify that they are in fact genuine and very well known in the Amiga community.

As they have asked not to have their names disclosed yet and for me not give away any specific details about what they are planning, I shall have to respect their wishes and can only say this.

To all the greeting face gits here who whine about copyright it would seem your in for a very big surprise sometime in the future if all goes according to plan. My little "crusade" seems to have drawn a hell of a lot of attention from some of the former big players in the Commdore/Amiga industry and they plus the countless others who have joined this cause are currently along with myself planning a course of action that should put an end once and for all to those who cry "Piracy"...

The only reason the downloads page has been removed for now is so as not to cause any damage to the plan of action. It's not going to be easy as I've had it explained to me but I know a thing or two myself that hadn't crossed the minds of those who tried to solve these issues in the past and things even at this early stage are looking very bright indeed...

All I can say for now is watch/wait and see as it looks like a whole new saga in the history of the Amiga is only just about to begin...

And to all those who want to cry BS and prove it, I have no need to as time will show itself just who is talking BS...

To put it simply I have never lost a court case in my life as I am wise enough to know when something can or can't be won otherwise I wouldn't even waste my time on it...

Anyway, Steven thanks once again for the kind offer, Much appreciated and I'll keep you informed on what is happening...

Cheers

Franko

[haywirepc]

Good for you Franko.
 
Some of us see right through the source of this trouble for you.
 
I will gladly donate hosting space for your files, an ftp mirror, legal services in the united states, or anything else I can provide to help you.
 
You've got the grave robbers running scared. Good for you.
Its about time we all started standing up to the grave robbers.
 
Steven

[Franko]

Good for you Franko.
 
Some of us see right through the source of this trouble for you.
 
I will gladly donate hosting space for your files, an ftp mirror, legal services in the united states, or anything else I can provide to help you.
 
You've got the grave robbers running scared. Good for you.
Its about time we all started standing up to the grave robbers.
 
Steven

Agreed 100%...

I shall have to ask first about your offer as I don't want to to anything that may jeopardise anything that is being put in place right now...

The grave robbers have no idea what is coming and that's the way it has to remain until the time is right, but I have had quite a lot of support on my site from members here although the vast majority don't really bother with such things and that's fine, it's the ones who constantly moan about things but never back up their words that should put their money where there mouth is and start to do something about it...

Oddly enough most of the support is coming from folk who don't even use these forums but still actively use there Amigas which a certain member here tried to tell me just a few days ago that there were no such people still out there, kinda make me wonder if any of these folk ever leave their keyboards and dare to venture out into the big bad world...

Cheers

Franko

[jorkany]

Anyone who complained about your site is probably one of the people still trying to rob the grave of amiga. (or they have close friends who are those people)
 
These people will never concede it, but no one can prove ownership of anything like amiga roms or wb 1.x-3.x. They never prove they own anything, merely say "prove I don't own it." which is a bullshit argument.
 
If I own something, a car a house, I can certainly show proof of ownership and would if there was ever any question. The same would go for any business holdings I have.
 
Never once has any of these people claiming ownership proven ownership of either os roms, source, names, trademarks, patents.
 
NEVER. Not once. Now they may sue each other and claim ownership, but never has anyone really challenged any of their claims.
 
The rights have transferred so many times and most of those contracts are no longer valid because many of the parties do not exist.
 
In regards to AINC especially, illegal and unlawful transfer of ownership from shell to shell would negate their legal claims. Look it up.
A decent lawyer would destroy them in court.

I guess Hyperion didn't have a decent lawyer then, otherwise instead of a settlement there would have been a judgment against AInc. Or is the settlement an example of Ben Hermans generosity?

[haywirepc]

I guess Hyperion didn't have a decent lawyer then, otherwise instead of a settlement there would have been a judgment against AInc. Or is the settlement an example of Ben Hermans generosity?

 
Read all the court documents. Hyperion's lawyers never challenged AINC's lawful ownership of IP, trademark or copyrights. That may have been a costly adventure to their cause in the end.
 
Steven

[number6]

@jorkany

If you read all the Amiga Inc. vs Cloanto docs and decisions, you'll see it's about "usage".
Long story short...the judge is in hysterics over AI's claims.

Much like the Amiga Inc. vs Garry Hare case where the judge basically said "stop wasting my time".

#6

[gazgod]

@Franko

I reported your original post, not through any mean spirited feeling towards you or your site. Frankly I couldn't care less what you host on your site but when you start a thread and the first post links directly to your downloads page you could get this site into legal trouble. So I reported the post so the owner/mods knew what was been discussed.

Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.

[cecilia]

isn't A inc dead?

[number6]

isn't A inc dead?

No.

#6

[Colin_Camper]

Your perfectly entitled to your opinion...

But I do find it a wee bit odd that you were "pretty slack jawed" about my site when you then go on here to explain to folk that they can just google for them anyway... seem like advocating "Piracy" to me, just like I have been accused of...

Well, like I said, most of these old threads would start with 'Where do I get to download KS, etc', then run with folk baying for the people who posted links and the OP to get banned. Invariably the thread would end with some old lag saying 'Why didn't they just drill down through a dozen google pages and leave A.org out of it. I figured this was common knowledge. When I saw the site I figured that either A.org policy would change or you would get a slagging off - that's why I was slack jawed!

I don't have an opinion either way about the actual ethics of the content of the site other than it looked like a lot of work went into it. I don't believe anyone these days deserves to 'own' the IP for that stuff.

[Franko]

@Franko

I reported your original post, not through any mean spirited feeling towards you or your site. Frankly I couldn't care less what you host on your site but when you start a thread and the first post links directly to your downloads page you could get this site into legal trouble. So I reported the post so the owner/mods knew what was been discussed.

Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.

Not to worry gazgood you did what you felt was right for your own reasons, I bear no ill will towards you. In fact events which basically stemmed from the various threads here over the past week have actually begun to prove very positive for my site and for my so called "crusade".

I knew perfectly well what I was doing and it succeeded perfectly as planned, now that things are underway behind the scenes I have very high hopes that my simple plan to try and put an end to all the crap that the Amiga community has had to put up with over all these years will hopefully sometime in the near future be laid to rest once and for all...

Just wish some more members of the community here would help to support this cause and not just leave up to folk like myself or those who don't even involve themselves in the forums but are still active Amiga users worldwide...

[Kesa]

Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.

Did it occur to you if you rotated or flipped the boing ball either direction the trademark is no longer valid therefore A.inc can't do bollocks?

[Kesa]

Not to worry gazgood you did what you felt was right for your own reasons, I bear no ill will towards you. In fact events which basically stemmed from the various threads here over the past week have actually begun to prove very positive for my site and for my so called "crusade".

I knew perfectly well what I was doing and it succeeded perfectly as planned, now that things are underway behind the scenes I have very high hopes that my simple plan to try and put an end to all the crap that the Amiga community has had to put up with over all these years will hopefully sometime in the near future be laid to rest once and for all...

Just wish some more members of the community here would help to support this cause and not just leave up to folk like myself or those who don't even involve themselves in the forums but are still active Amiga users worldwide...

So i'm assuming you and others are going to challenge A.inc over their copyrights/trademarks on Amiga? This should be interesting

If you want help from me i will summon my army of nazi zombies to help you  

[odin]

No.

#6

For all intents and purposes a.inc has been dead for years, and only in a zombie-like vegetative state before that...

[number6]

For all intents and purposes a.inc has been dead for years, and only in a zombie-like vegetative state before that...

No argument.

#6