Commodore Scotland Under Threat...

[kolla]

Cloanto are not the copyright holders of old Amiga OS, they just have a license to distribute. I would expect that for every copy of Amiga Forever that they sell, some money tickle in the direction of Amiga Inc. OTOH, Amiga Forever also includes an updated and altered kickstart, named kickstart 3.X, which pretty much is an OS 3.9 kickstart - I do wonder what legal rights Cloanto has to sell such an altered kickstart, I highly doubt that it too is coverered the original 1994 or so deal they have.
Oh, and I got my copy of AmigaForever for free from Cloanto, in exchange for linking to them from my site, and I assume, from my involvement in back2roots back in the days. :-)

[Franko]

@Franko
 
It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads.
 

 
If you have a problem with my moderation, feel free to take it up with Pyromania.

Bit late in the day now for them to do that, it's already well known what their site previously said, I'd laugh at it if it weren't so sickening...

As for your moderation the main dispute I have with your moderation is as I've made quite clear, you didn't even give me the opportunity to remove the link myself and within seconds of you sending the infraction PM and I was responding to it within seconds to inform you that I would remove the link. You removed my signature yourself without the decency to allow me to do so.

Trouble is Red if you'll just admit it your now of the opinion that CUSA are wonderful and anyone who disagrees with you or has anything to say about Barry or CUSA that you don't personally like are now threatened with infractions & censorship.

A bit hypocritical considering some of the things you've posted in the past about CUSA before your wee cosy meeting with Barry & Dammy.

Amazing to think that someone can be bought with a can of Coke Zero...

[mongo]

It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads.

Good to know that I can legally purchase and download games for the Commodore PET now.

[dammy]

Bit late in the day now for them to do that, it's already well known what their site previously said, I'd laugh at it if it weren't so sickening...

As for your moderation the main dispute I have with your moderation is as I've made quite clear, you didn't even give me the opportunity to remove the link myself and within seconds of you sending the infraction PM and I was responding to it within seconds to inform you that I would remove the link. You removed my signature yourself without the decency to allow me to do so.

Trouble is Red if you'll just admit it your now of the opinion that CUSA are wonderful and anyone who disagrees with you or has anything to say about Barry or CUSA that you don't personally like are now threatened with infractions & censorship.

A bit hypocritical considering some of the things you've posted in the past about CUSA before your wee cosy meeting with Barry & Dammy.

Amazing to think that someone can be bought with a can of Coke Zero...

Oh, back to conspiracy.  I need to go buy more popcorn, seems Franko can't accept he was wrong and will continue the drama even further. :crazy:

[haywirepc]

Dammy,

Your horribly mistaken if you think anyone can prove ownership of the roms at this point in time...
 
No one can legally prove ownership of os1.x-3.x either.
 
Its only the people raping the corpse of amiga trying to make money off ancient disks and roms that care about anyone posting files.
 
And another thing to the moderators. You better start checking everyone's signatures. I just download abandonware from people's sites all the time. I get those links from their sites, which are usually in their signatures.
 
Someone IS being a bit unfair to franko, that is for certain.

If you want to apply rules, they must apply to all here.
 
Steven

[Franko]

Oh, back to conspiracy.  I need to go buy more popcorn, seems Franko can't accept he was wrong and will continue the drama even further. :crazy:

Randy, Randy, Randy, that's about all there is worth saying about you really...

(Not much is it...

[dammy]

Randy, Randy, Randy, that's about all there is worth saying about you really...

(Not much is it...

Try sitting on a ice pack, perhaps that will reduce the pain your feeling.

[tone007]

Try sitting on a ice pack, perhaps that will reduce the pain your feeling.

Ha, butt jokes and bad grammar, this dude's gotta be about 12.

[redrumloa]

And another thing to the moderators. You better start checking everyone's signatures. I just download abandonware from people's sites all the time. I get those links from their sites, which are usually in their signatures.
 
Someone IS being a bit unfair to franko, that is for certain.
 
If you want to apply rules, they must apply to all here.
 
Steven

They do apply to everyone. Moderators don't check every sig link, but we do check when something is reported. Franko's pirate site was pointed out to me this morning, no one has ever reported it before. If someone else is linking to pirate kickstart roms, click the report button.
 
I personally do not care about abandonware, up to and including KS ROMS. The truth of the matter is the TOS includes this for a specific reason. In years past this website has received credible legal threats which prompted the rule. Wayne clarified this rule a few years back to where general discussion of piracy is allowed, but linking to specific pirate software is stil not. Kickstart roms are still legally licensed and legally available as a commerical product (see Amiga Forever).
 
You could ask Pyromania to relax the rule even further if you wish.

[jj]

Hmm... Just received an email from "commodore@amiga.com" in regard to my CommodoreScotland.com site...
 
 
 
I wonder who this could be !!! and what his actual complaint is, seem the games afoot now...
 
Just wondering especially from those of you who are both members here and members of my site what your opinions on this are and if you find my CommodoreScotland.com site entertaining & useful (for what it is so far)...

 
Only read the first post, But I think its because you don't have the right to use the commodore name.  Simple.  You will loois

[number6]

Cloanto are not the copyright holders of old Amiga OS, they just have a license to distribute. I would expect that for every copy of Amiga Forever that they sell, some money tickle in the direction of Amiga Inc. OTOH, Amiga Forever also includes an updated and altered kickstart, named kickstart 3.X, which pretty much is an OS 3.9 kickstart - I do wonder what legal rights Cloanto has to sell such an altered kickstart, I highly doubt that it too is coverered the original 1994 or so deal they have.
Oh, and I got my copy of AmigaForever for free from Cloanto, in exchange for linking to them from my site, and I assume, from my involvement in back2roots back in the days. :-)

http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/3-122.html

The text on that page has been updated, and it's a good reference as to their position.
It has always been understood that until all lawsuits and/or settlements are complete that no amiga/amigalike companies will ever be able to conduct business in peace and without threat of further legal activity.
Then again, it seems that is the true legacy, so...

#6

[Franko]

Only read the first post, But I think its because you don't have the right to use the commodore name.  Simple.  You will loois

As usual JJ you are wrong I legally purchased the domain name CommodoreScotland.com and there is nothing you can or anyone else can do about it...simples...

(PS: how do I loois and what do I loois...

[Colin_Camper]

As usual JJ you are wrong I legally purchased the domain name CommodoreScotland.com and there is nothing you can or anyone else can do about it...simples...

(PS: how do I loois and what do I loois...

Well, obviously the issue isn't the domain. Many sites have the word 'Amiga' in them and are happily linked from here.

However, I have been here a fair while, and Amiga.org (and AWN etc) have always clamped down on linking to sites that allow downloading of S/W that is not GPLd or proven to be free. KS ROMs and workbench were always a total no no.

It's been a fair while since I noticed any of these threads so it is easy to see how Franko missed this. I must admit, I heard of C-Scotland for a while but I never went there - I was pretty slack jawed when I did visit and saw the links on the front page!

I can't see the point really because;
1:) People can use their own ROMs off a real Amiga
2:)Use Cloantos ROMs
3:)If poor or desperate, Google down a few pages and finf them that way.

A-org never facilitated this process and I guess they never will - I suspect you got away lightly given that this is 2011 not 2003.

All IMHO of course!

[Franko]

Well, obviously the issue isn't the domain. Many sites have the word 'Amiga' in them and are happily linked from here.

However, I have been here a fair while, and Amiga.org (and AWN etc) have always clamped down on linking to sites that allow downloading of S/W that is not GPLd or proven to be free. KS ROMs and workbench were always a total no no.

It's been a fair while since I noticed any of these threads so it is easy to see how Franko missed this. I must admit, I heard of C-Scotland for a while but I never went there - I was pretty slack jawed when I did visit and saw the links on the front page!

I can't see the point really because;
1:) People can use their own ROMs off a real Amiga
2:)Use Cloantos ROMs
3:)If poor or desperate, Google down a few pages and finf them that way.

A-org never facilitated this process and I guess they never will - I suspect you got away lightly given that this is 2011 not 2003.

All IMHO of course!

Your perfectly entitled to your opinion...

But I do find it a wee bit odd that you were "pretty slack jawed" about my site when you then go on here to explain to folk that they can just google for them anyway... seem like advocating "Piracy" to me, just like I have been accused of...

[Fats]

You could ask Pyromania to relax the rule even further if you wish.

Please don't relax them. Piracy promotion should be left to other sites.

I'm an open source proponent and I feel that if all licenses would be obeyed more open source would grow a lot.

greets,
Staf.

[kedawa]

I can't seem to find KS ROM socket in my PC.