Commodore Scotland Under Threat...

[Cool_amigaN]

@Franko

I really like this sentence: All files available here [...] to be downloaded if you own the original software. Source: http://www.commodorescotland.com/#/downdloads/4544411715 . Well, I own MOS 2.x and AOS4.x, would you be kind hosting a digital image of the above mentioned OSes in case my CDs fail?

[dammy]

Really? I thought that CUSA is promoting Franko instead: No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet. Source: http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx .

App store will be up at time of launch.

[Cool_amigaN]

App store will be up at time of launch.

Will it feature, practically every game which I owned or will it link to tpb?

[nOw2]

Sorry, I may be a little late on this thread (7 pages in!) however, the site in question does indeed have seem to have pirate copies of the Amiga system files, which Cloanto currently sell (and at a very reasonable price I might add too). The domain is also hiding behind an anonymising agent. All of which comes across as decidedly dodgy.

edit:

I've done some more reading. Franko, sort yourself out. I suspect nobody on Amiga.org is 15 years old anymore.

[Franko]

Sorry, I may be a little late on this thread (7 pages in!) however, the site in question does indeed have seem to have pirate copies of the Amiga system files, which Cloanto currently sell (and at a very reasonable price I might add too). The domain is also hiding behind an anonymising agent. All of which comes across as decidedly dodgy.

The site in question as you call it is run by me Frank Spiers and is hardly anonymous. I don't control how the domain is displayed so why this appears dodgy is beyond me.

If Cloanto has a complaint about my site it is very easy for them to contact me and tell what the problem is as I am unaware of anything on my site that has come from Cloanto.

Would you care to explain what you mean by the term dodgy...

Look pal don't tell me to sort myself out, get a life and stop your ruddy whinging...

[redrumloa]

The site in question as you call it is run by me Frank Spiers and is hardly anonymous. I don't control how the domain is displayed so why this appears dodgy is beyond me.
 
If Cloanto has a complaint about my site it is very easy for them to contact me and tell what the problem is as I am unaware of anything on my site that has come from Cloanto.
 
Would you care to explain what you mean by the term dodgy...
 
Look pal don't tell me to sort myself out, get a life and stop your ruddy whinging...

Franko, your promotion of pirate roms has gone under radar until now it seems. Promoting pirate software is a clear violation of the TOS.
 
Do not post links or requests for warez.
Warez in our definition is illegal software up to and including "abandonware". The exception is if the person is KNOWN to have the legal right to distribute said software. This is not debatable.
This is a formal warning.

[Franko]

Franko, your promotion of pirate roms has gone under radar until now it seems. Promoting pirate software is a clear violation of the TOS.
 
Do not post links or requests for warez.
Warez in our definition is illegal software up to and including "abandonware". The exception is if the person is KNOWN to have the legal right to distribute said software. This is not debatable.
This is a formal warning.

Well as I see you have already removed my signature yourself the PM I just sent you was a complete waste of time.

I have also just sent you another PM asking you to remove all links to Commodore USAs site as they actively promote Piracy on their site but as you seem to issue infractions then go ahead and delete things without even giving the user a chance to read & respond to your PMs then it's only fair that I respond here in public to you as you don't have the decency to even allow someone to respond to your PMs.

If you would care to check out this active promotion of Piracy by CUSA here...

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

I refer of course to the text "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."

It would be only fair to ask you to remove all links to Commodore USA and any references to them from Amiga.org as you said to me in the PM "refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.", this of course should include any links you may have made yourself.

Yours Sincerely

Frank Spiers

[redrumloa]

Well as I see you have already removed my signature yourself the PM I just sent you was a complete waste of time.
 
I have also just sent you another PM asking you to remove all links to Commodore USAs site as they actively promote Piracy on their site but as you seem to issue infractions then go ahead and delete things without even giving the user a chance to read & respond to your PMs then it's only fair that I respond here in public to you as you don't have the decency to even allow someone to respond to your PMs.
 
If you would care to check out this active promotion of Piracy by CUSA here...
 
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
 
I refer of course to the text "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."
 
It would be only fair to ask you to remove all links to Commodore USA and any references to them from Amiga.org as you said to me in the PM "refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.", this of course should include any links you may have made yourself.
 
Yours Sincerely
 
Frank Spiers

 
CUSA has no pirate software available for download and I have been told they intend to have an online store similar to iTunes.

[vidarh]

Oi!  I'm a Tory!  

Don't worry, it's not quite incurable.

[Tension]

CUSA has no pirate software available for download

Franko,  why don't you just put links to torrent files, instead of hosting the actual downloads.  That way you'll be sweet and nobody can complain.

Magnet links are good.

If you don't do it, I will.

[Franko]

CUSA has no pirate software available for download and I have been told they intend to have an online store similar to iTunes.

I have just received your PM stating the above and as you wish to make this public I shall repeat my everything in full here as you seem quite determined to just single out me for some reason.

PM from Redrumloa...

Dear Franko,

You have received an infraction at Amiga.org.

Reason: Signature Rule Violation
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Remove link to pirate software in signature and refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=613169
Quote:
@ KThunder & AmigaNG

I do know what I am doing you know, whether legal or not that is my problem to deal with when the time comes. It's only my opinion but it's way past time this whole subject was brought out into the open and debated properly...

At the end of the day if no company is willing to re-release all this old software at a price that is fair & reasonable and make it easily available to purchase, then perhaps what I am doing may result in something being done to help bring this about...
All the best,
Amiga.org

Response From Me...

While I dispute the reason for this infraction and I dispute the the claim you make that this is a link to pirated software. I shall remove the link from my signature as requested...

Franko

I would like to point out here that within seconds of you issuing the infraction and without even reading the above PM sent by me you had already removed my signature with having the decency to allow me to do so myself.

PM from me to RedRumloa...

Hi Redrumloa

As it would seem only fair that I have to remove the link to my site from my signature for the reasons you gave.

I feel it only fair to ask you to remove all links to CommodoreUSAs site here on Amiga.org as they actively promote Piracy on their site.

See here for details...

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

I refer of course to this line in their text, "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."

Thank You

Frank Spiers

Response from Redrumloa...

They do not have pirate software available for download. They intend to have an iTunes-like store.

Response from me...

I did not claim that they had pirate software to download. My point is that they are actively promoting piracy on their site.

Which if you claim and Amiga.org claims you do not condone or tolerate such things on this site then all links to Commodore USA should be removed also if you are to treat everyone fairly.

Now while you claim that any link to piracy will not be tolerated or condoned how is it then that there are many other such links on this site that have not been removed.

I give you this one for example (sorry petemaxi) which allows you to download PDF file of the OS3.9 manuals which are still under copyright and still available to buy from the likes of Vesalia. Piru had already pointed this out but why has this one not been removed and infractions issued.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56084

Seems to me that you are interpreting the site rules to suit yourself and lack any decency or fairness in this matter, strange how this has all come about since your cosy wee visit with Barry & Dammy and your sudden change of heart towards CUSA.

Still if you want to be petty about this then I can lower myself to play that game too.

[kedawa]

Well, I own MOS 2.x and AOS4.x, would you be kind hosting a digital image of the above mentioned OSes in case my CDs fail?

Aside from the size of the images and the resulting bandwidth usage, there's little harm in hosting them.
MOS is freely distributable since it's shareware that needs a paid registration to actually function properly for more than half an hour.
AOS might as well be, since most anyone with hardware capable of running it has already paid for a license.

[Franko]

Franko,  why don't you just put links to torrent files, instead of hosting the actual downloads.  That way you'll be sweet and nobody can complain.

Magnet links are good.

If you don't do it, I will.

Don't know anything about how to do that, but I'm more than happy to keep the downloads page on my site open until someone who has a genuine complaint about my site informs me personally...

In the past few days mainly thanks to CUSA & Dammy I've had more visitors to my site than I usually get in an entire month...

Still all the people who use my site (and many of them are members here) are quite happy to download stuff and support my efforts know how to find my site...

I had during the night received two emails from soldiers still stationed in Iraq who were most upset that certain folk are trying to force me to close the downloads section. As it seems they are running Amiga emulators on their laptops during their R&R time and find my site quite handy for games to download and play...

I have emailed them back with all of Dammys details (which were in the public domain before I even published them) and asked them to take it up with him as he is the cause of all of this...

It's just a shame for everyone else that the holier than thou brigade are out in force once again spewing their venom, but all details of such folk will be passed on to the folk who email me at my site enquiring just who these numpties are, as I've said that's their problem to deal with when the time comes...

[redrumloa]

@Franko
 
It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads.
 

No need to bother with floppy disks, as many games can be legally puchased and dowloaded from the internet directly on to your computer.

If you have a problem with my moderation, feel free to take it up with Pyromania.

[Franko]

Aside from the size of the images and the resulting bandwidth usage, there's little harm in hosting them.
MOS is freely distributable since it's shareware that needs a paid registration to actually function properly for more than half an hour.
AOS might as well be, since most anyone with hardware capable of running it has already paid for a license.

I'll have to look into it and see what I can do, wouldn't want Red or Dammy or the other Copyright Mafia getting upset if I host something that lot think is illegal and can go screaming blue murder about...

[kolla]

Cloanto are not the copyright holders of old Amiga OS, they just have a license to distribute. I would expect that for every copy of Amiga Forever that they sell, some money tickle in the direction of Amiga Inc. OTOH, Amiga Forever also includes an updated and altered kickstart, named kickstart 3.X, which pretty much is an OS 3.9 kickstart - I do wonder what legal rights Cloanto has to sell such an altered kickstart, I highly doubt that it too is coverered the original 1994 or so deal they have.
Oh, and I got my copy of AmigaForever for free from Cloanto, in exchange for linking to them from my site, and I assume, from my involvement in back2roots back in the days. :-)