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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
dammy: lol @ defending C=USA nobjokeys selling rubbish chinky PC + Linux + UAE and somehow deciding it's an Amiga. My Dell XPS with XP+WinUAE is Amiga too and so is a Sony  PSP + Amiga emulator then :roflmao: what next, my washing machine with 14mhz 68EC020 Amiga? :confused:

Amiga Inc are crooks anyway, perfect partnership, and Amiga Inc don'town Commodore name :)

And even 99% of the 12 million Amiga purchasers won't buy AmigaONE x1000 or SAM to run OS4 with stupidly expensive PPC boards. If you hate Mac you won't be using MOSand AROS is free so ho knows how many downloads arein use.

As for custom chips being the thing holding back Amiga....Commodore were well on the way to RTG and you need a fast Pentium PC in 1996 to play Super Stardust like a £299 A1200. And A4000/040 users bought 24bit cards.

CPU PERFORMANCE/PRICE killed Amiga well before PC could do a carbon copy of 1989 Shadow of the Beast without dropping a single frame.....6-7 yrs with same 7mhz chip was a joke but 25mhz 486SX owners were playing Actua Soccer in texture mapped 3D or Doom for half the cost of pathetic A4000/030 white elephant of an overpriced kludge in 1994 ;)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2011, 06:12:24 PM »
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there seems to be quite a few folks here that come to just moan & complain that don't actually use amiga's...
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2011, 06:13:40 PM »
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Ah, yes, the recently (ie. about 6 months ago at best) announced, yet to be released "Amiga's" that people know next to nothing about yet. Funny thing is though you've been bitching/moaning in one way or another for many years. Your interest in C-USA seems to be little more than another way to antagonise, but this time with something new to put into you itinerary. Must be exciting times for you.


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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2011, 06:15:32 PM »
sorry for the book, but this seems to be turning into a popularity contest rather than an objective look at platforms, I don't claim true objectivity, but here I think is my most rational and objective look at the subject:

vi·a·ble (v-bl)  adj.
1. Capable of living, developing, or germinating under favorable conditions.
2. Capable of living outside the uterus. Used of a fetus or newborn.
3. Capable of success or continuing effectiveness; practicable: a viable plan; a viable national economy.

When we talk about a viable platform we are talking about three things I think. Is it developing currently. Can it continue under current conditions indefinitely. And can it fullfill it's purpose capably.

As good as classic was, and I do like it alot, it is seeing some limited current development, it can fullfill its purpose but really only with legacy apps, but it cannot continue indefinitely. We can fix buggy capacitors etc. for only so long...the hardware is dying.

Minimig is a fantasic design that remedies much of the classics drawbacks but isn't really a platform as such, as it is not in any kind of active production, and is not forward looking (I would love it if a company started building minimigs in a600 clone cases)

OS4 is seeing some development in both hardware and software, but the hardware is highly specialized, difficult to find, and very difficult to replace or repair. It is a niche even within Amiga communities, and cannot continue indefinitely due to the limited runs and market penetration of our small community.

The same unfortunately can be said of Morphos, and other custom designs such as Natami. Too expensive, too rare etc.

UAE is a great bit for software that has kept many of us using amigaos and software, but is just that, software, it isn't really a platform unless you consider some livecd type implementations, but noone is really doing that much.

Which leads us to Aros. Many of you know I favor Aros and have said so numerous times, and with reason I think. Aros is under current, significant, development. The software is developed by the Aros team, and literally billions of free (to us anyway) development dollars are pouring into hardware development by companies around the world. Don't like x86 and its memory addressing limitations, bang, 386 etc, fixing all those problems, dont like the limited registers etc. of pentiums, bang, here is 64 bit cpus with more registers. Don't like the limited backwards compatibility of '040 and '060 68k's...well sorry here is a patch. Don't like the expense, and feature shifts of PPC... sorry that sucks.

Aros also doesnt depend of the fickelness of AI, or strength or the Aros team. It has lasted for years with no license, through all the lawsuits and stupidity, and is open source so even if all the current developers were to be abducted by aliens to work on their os, development would continue. Not just on the core os but on the apps that are under development as well.

And its viability as a hardware platform is assured as it is not dependant on small expensive manufacturing runs. We can all try Aros since we all have or can very easily get x86 hardware. If you havent tried Aros, go to the Aros website are try a livecd.

We all have our favorites, we all have ideals, but when you get down to real longterm practicality Aros really is the best, most viable, option. I don't thing that Aros will take over the world, but there are reasons that Linux hasn't. It is too complex, the distros are too different, the community is too splintered. There is no reason Aros couldn't be what Linux tried to be, an alternative desktop os, that is simple, fast, capable, and free.

And that is the most viable amiga option for me Aros (with Uae)
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2011, 06:43:40 PM »
I picked Amiga classic because everything else I tried was retarded and pissed me off.


I also only use these things to play games so the rest of its features are useless to me.
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2011, 07:02:01 PM »
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Sadly it is exactly these kind of people C= USA is trying to con into buying their crap pretending they are somehow Amiga

Con is quite a harsh term, isn't it?
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POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2011, 07:07:57 PM »
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con    /kɒn/  
adjective, verb, conned, con·ning,  noun Informal .  
–adjective
1. involving abuse of confidence: a con trick.
–verb (used with object)
2. to swindle; trick: That crook conned me out of all my savings.
3. to persuade by deception, cajolery, etc.
–noun
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5. a lie, exaggeration, or glib self-serving talk: He had a dozen different cons for getting out of paying traffic tickets.


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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2011, 08:04:31 PM »
They're selling PC+Linux but claiming they are next gen Amiga and letting idiots believe they related to C= of old.

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2011, 08:13:44 PM »
Quote from: Franko;612158
@ Dammy

Fair enough about the 7 Million figure I wont dispute that (as I can't be bothered checking)... :)

But as for how many active users there still are, no-one can put a figure on that or even supply a reasonable guess as to how many active users may still be out there... :)

Take me for example, been using nothing but Amigas since 86. In all that time until June last year I'd never been on the net let alone a member of a forum. So the way I see it I would be very surprised if I as the only one who had gone all this time without being on the net or joining a forum.

So if folk are basing their guesses at the amount of active Amiga users just by how many folk use the various forums or appear to be on the net, then it would seem to me these figures would be way out and be totally pointless in using them to claim that there are only X amount of active Amiga users left... :)

Franko, you really believe that there are more out in the world like you? :roflmao: You are unique!

Okay, maybe there are another 50 to 100 Amiga users in the world that have never used a Windows, or MacOS or Linux computer and maybe there are 300 to 800 Amiga users that have never joined any Amiga forum site.  Or if you want to be an unrealistic fanatic, say there are 1,000 to 2,000 such users (but I really doubt that).  Bottom line is that the number of active Amiga users left in the world is just not a huge number of people in excess of 10,000.  I personally would guess that the real number is closer to 6,000, but won't get into any argument trying to justify that number.  They have mostly all moved on and left the Amiga behind and it only remains as a fond memory for 90% of the millions of Amiga users that once were exclusive users of only Amiga computers.

Basing a rough guess of how many remaining (active) Amiga users there are in the world on the activity on all the Amiga related forum sites IS a very accurate way to get close to the actual number of remaining active Amiga users.  Thinking that there are thousands of Amiga users still out there that don't use the Internet, or that have never become members of any Amiga forum site is just unrealistic, wishful thinking.
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2011, 08:30:25 PM »
There are around 600 people using OS4 on their Sams (according to firmare update downloads) yet you don't see hardly that many posting on forums. I'm sure it's the same for other Amiga users, I personally know a whole bunch of guys online who won't even post on the forums anymore because of the trolls and fighting. I think the Amiga scene is a lot bigger than what we see on the forums, and any time I mention my Amiga hobby in some large IRC channel someone pops up and tells me about their old Amiga in the closet and how they've been wanting to set it up again some day. I wonder how many people keep their 486 in the closet for that rainy day in the future...
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2011, 08:39:36 PM »
Quote from: Cammy;611943
I voted AmigaOS 4 without any reason at all.

You are so funny!  Thanks for making me laugh today.

As for my post about number of users, I did not say all of them post on forums, I stated that most of them have become members of at least one Amiga related forum site at one time or another.  Also, I was referring to ACTIVE Amiga users, not just anyone that owned one some time in the past, or has one in the closet.
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2011, 08:55:20 PM »
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You are so funny!  Thanks for making me laugh today.

As for my post about number of users, I did not say all of them post on forums, I stated that most of them have become members of at least one Amiga related forum site at one time or another.  Also, I was referring to ACTIVE Amiga users, not just anyone that owned one some time in the past, or has one in the closet.


I'm not unique... there's two of me here... :)

Anyway you can't state (even though you just did) "most of them have become members of at least one Amiga related forum site at one time or another." as you have no way to prove it... :)

It's all just opinions and guesstimates, heck even Santa Claus doesn't know the answer and he delivered most of those lovely old miggies himself... :)
 

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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2011, 09:06:43 PM »
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There are around 600 people using OS4 on their Sams (according to firmare update downloads) yet you don't see hardly that many posting on forums. I'm sure it's the same for other Amiga users, I personally know a whole bunch of guys online who won't even post on the forums anymore because of the trolls and fighting. I think the Amiga scene is a lot bigger than what we see on the forums, and any time I mention my Amiga hobby in some large IRC channel someone pops up and tells me about their old Amiga in the closet and how they've been wanting to set it up again some day. I wonder how many people keep their 486 in the closet for that rainy day in the future...

well said Cammy and I can confirm that I know of many current amiga users that will only visit Amiga sites for current news but refuse to post here due to the constant trolling/flaming...sad but true
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2011, 09:16:15 PM »
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They're selling PC+Linux but claiming they are next gen Amiga and letting idiots believe they related to C= of old.

Decide for yourself I say to everyone :)


They licensed the Commodore name therefore they are related to the C= of old. These apparently are former c64 or amiga users interested in selling Commodore branded computers. It's been done before, and unless they succeed it will be done again.
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2011, 09:36:59 PM »
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They licensed the Commodore name therefore they are related to the C= of old.
...no. I don't care if you pay for a pre-existing name, receive it from a mysterious Dickensian benefactor, or make a wish on a friggin' genie's lamp - you don't just get to introduce something totally unrelated and claim it's the same thing. Legal, maybe, but sane/correct/ethical? No.
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Re: POLL: What is the most viable Amiga platform for *you*?
« Reply #74 from previous page: February 03, 2011, 09:49:23 PM »
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...no. I don't care if you pay for a pre-existing name, receive it from a mysterious Dickensian benefactor, or make a wish on a friggin' genie's lamp - you don't just get to introduce something totally unrelated and claim it's the same thing. Legal, maybe, but sane/correct/ethical? No.


The Commodore of old DID sell pc clones, so it really is the same thing.
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