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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #239 from previous page: January 29, 2011, 01:00:02 PM »
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I think Piru is saying he does not get paid at all for being a MorphOS dev, pretty easy to understand I think


Pirus post:
Last edited by Piru; Today at 12:48 PM..

My post:
Today 12:38 PM
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #240 on: January 29, 2011, 01:02:29 PM »
all he addded to the post was

"The money from the registrations is mostly used to keep the web site, registration server and other support infrastructure running. It is also used to obtain hardware for potential future ports.

Any claims that I would somehow get financial benefit from this is clearly nonsense."

To clarify where the money goes and to back up that he does not get any of it
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #241 on: January 29, 2011, 01:12:00 PM »
Okay thanks for the clarifications. I stand corrected.

Thanks to the clarifications I know more now.

Now I know that buying AmigaOS products (software and hardware) is helping the Amiga development (software and hardware) instead of giving money for expensive (it seems) web hosting and old Mac hardware.

Purchasing Sam 460 helps Hyperion and Acube develop further as the money goes back to the niche.

Purchasing old Mac helps the initial owner to buy newer model Mac (Intel based) that will not run MorphOS.
Purchasing MorphOS license goes for expensive web hosting (is it the server running on MOS?), purchase of old Mac hardware (that helps the initial owner to buy newer model Mac, that will not run MorphOS) and does not help the MorphOS development at all, because as stated by one of the main devs - its a hobby for him.

All in all - for the people who want to have Amiga now and in the future - better buy Amiga.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #242 on: January 29, 2011, 01:20:41 PM »
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Shall I edit my posts in order to gain credibility?

You could give it a try, I doubt it would help. It seems reading other peoples posts is causing some problems on your end. ;)
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #243 on: January 29, 2011, 01:31:54 PM »
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... better buy Amiga.


seems all this "amiga" is some kind of charity excercise. but a trusty charity demands transparency. anything else is plain silly.
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #244 on: January 29, 2011, 02:20:37 PM »
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seems all this "amiga" is some kind of charity excercise. but a trusty charity demands transparency. anything else is plain silly.


So, back to the topic name - it says SAM 460 - poor performance, high price

Okay, all the Amiga hardware released after the Amiga 3000, had poor performance and high price. This is nothing new. The Amiga 3000 was the last model that had decent price/performance ratio and even was used as a UNIX workstation (Amiga3000UX), because similar UNIX configurations from other vendors were much more expensive. All the later Amiga models where with poor performance and high price.

Beating own chest, trying to prove something that everyone knows, 20 years after the release of the Amiga CDTV and the Amiga 600, which were disasters and disappointment and already expensive with poor performance is plain silly.

So far the charity exercise, did not help the Commodore survive. All the persons who still use Amiga, know that the hardware is expensive with poor performance, but it does not stop them from buying it.

On the other hand - Mac hardware is also with poor performance and high price, compared to the PC hardware. Be it brand new or second hand.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #245 on: January 29, 2011, 02:39:40 PM »
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On the other hand - Mac hardware is also with poor performance and high price, compared to the PC hardware. Be it brand new or second hand.

You've forgot about one small fact. Some second hand Mac hardware runs MorphOS. PC hardware does not. Copmaring $80 I've spent on my Power Mac with PC hardware prices is pointless then.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #246 on: January 29, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
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All in all - for the people who want to have Amiga now and in the future - better buy Amiga.


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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #247 on: January 29, 2011, 03:12:11 PM »
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Well, the new Amigas are not available yet, but some time this year they will be.


If you mean CUSA products they are only Amiga in name and not anything to do with genuine Amigas... :)
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #248 on: January 29, 2011, 03:36:46 PM »
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it was threads like these that caused so many Amiga users to leave the scene in the first place.
constant willy waving about who's outdated piece of hardware could run which outdated 3d game the fastest.
buy what you like, and enjoy it.

Chase people out of the scene:confused: I don't get that, why would someone give up their hobby because of a forum post?

I have a SuperCPU 128 (C64/C128 accelerator) which I paid a pretty penny for. I have been told it is outdated (it is), I paid too much (YMMV) and people like me are fools wasting money on such hardware (YMMV). Some of the posts and comments are quite sharp, but it has never made me consider giving up my hobby.

I think people sometimes lose sight of what discussion forums are for (not pointing a finger at anyone). They are for discussing ideas, products and such. If it was all one sided rah, rah, rah, it wouldn't be a discussion forum.

If you like OS4 and find Sam460 to be a viable product, by all means purchase one or multiple of them. Acube appear to be an ethical company who back their hardware with real life warranties and perform as advertised.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #249 on: January 29, 2011, 03:43:39 PM »
@ Redrumloa

Ahh... the very man to ask, I've had a beady eye on this C128 for a few days now, be grateful if you could have a quick look and tell me what you think of it (it's only got 4 hours left to go...) :)

C128 on eBay...
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #250 on: January 29, 2011, 03:44:36 PM »
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

Stay on topic and keep civil:anger:
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #251 on: January 29, 2011, 03:49:10 PM »
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@ Redrumloa

Ahh... the very man to ask, I've had a beady eye on this C128 for a few days now, be grateful if you could have a quick look and tell me what you think of it (it's only got 4 hours left to go...) :)

C128 on eBay...

No problem, though if we take this thread far OT I will get roasted:lol:

The listing states it is for a flat C128 only with yellowing, no drives or nothing else? Seems awful expensive, you should be able to find cheaper.

If you would like further advice, no problem just ask in PM.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #252 on: January 29, 2011, 03:52:13 PM »
Thanks for the advice, kinda thought that myself, I'll give it a miss then... :)

Sorry for the off topic bit folks... :)

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #253 on: January 29, 2011, 11:38:10 PM »
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Chase people out of the scene:confused: I don't get that, why would someone give up their hobby because of a forum post?


  Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it false.

I don't understand why people would do that either but, over the years, I do recall see several posts of people saying something along the lines of, "I'm tired of all this bickering.  The Amiga Community is not what it used to be and I no longer find this fun.  I'm leaving."
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #254 on: January 30, 2011, 04:19:06 AM »
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Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it false.

I don't understand why people would do that either but, over the years, I do recall see several posts of people saying something along the lines of, "I'm tired of all this bickering.  The Amiga Community is not what it used to be and I no longer find this fun.  I'm leaving."

Just my opinion, but it would seem like an excuse to leave a hobby they weren't enjoying any longer.

Ideally everyone would get along and disagreements would be minimal, but that never happens in any hobby group or discussion forum.
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