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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #224 from previous page: January 28, 2011, 10:36:19 PM »
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MorphOS will probably support only the 1.67 GHz and the later 1.5 GHz. The earlier models don't use usb for kbd/tp. Hence, if your wife's pb doesn't happen to be a 1.67 GHz or 1.5 GHz (usb) model, it will not fit for MorphOS.


it was one of the last G4 laptops they made but I dunno. I'd have to check.
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #225 on: January 29, 2011, 12:51:00 AM »
@lou_dias

Can you tell me where are these "faster custom chips" on the sam boards or x1000?
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #226 on: January 29, 2011, 03:13:33 AM »
I am amazed that this discussion still rages on. The SAM460EX comes with AmigaOS 4.1 (you have to buy it that way) and will probably never run MorphOS.
And the G4 Macs and the 460EX are, at similar clock speeds, virtually on par with each other in terms of performance.
Why is there such unnecessary friction betwen these two camps?
Acube won't even sell this board without AOS4 unless you are one of their 'industrial partners.

Why can't we just leave this one alone?
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #227 on: January 29, 2011, 07:44:34 AM »
@Iggy

  I completely agree.  Sadly some people, who clearly have no interest in OS4 and never will be interested in it, seem to feel the need to take every opportunity to create threads for the sole purpose of bashing OS4 and/or OS4 hardware.

  I, for one, have every intention of buying a Sam460 and stupids threads like this are not going to change my mind.  The only thing these threads accomplish is to annoy people and make enemies.  It's time to give it a rest and let things be the way they are.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #228 on: January 29, 2011, 08:43:08 AM »
it was threads like these that caused so many Amiga users to leave the scene in the first place.
constant willy waving about who's outdated piece of hardware could run which outdated 3d game the fastest.
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #229 on: January 29, 2011, 09:27:18 AM »
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Opinions vary.


No. It is just your skewed opinion, which is different.

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What mistake? The Mac uses DDR1, SAM460 uses DDR2. @ 400 rating DDR1 will outperform DDR2 at the same rating because of latency and overhead. If SAM460 can use memory faster than DDR2-400 then it will outperform the G4's DDR-400 memory. These are facts.


Facts end at "SAM460 uses DDR2". The rest are just your speculations. Especially stating facts starting the sentence from "if" is amusing.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #230 on: January 29, 2011, 11:40:07 AM »
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #231 on: January 29, 2011, 11:53:55 AM »
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Webtigers, they tend to lack social skills and a general life.
But I garee with you 100%, its sad to see people like this, use so much time and energy to bash.


Well, look from their perspective. They have the reason to trash the new Amiga hardware about its price and speed. Because a person who reads this thread would eventually decide against AmigaOne hardware and buy Mac then end up buying MorphOS license = profit for the OP.

So, the time spend on posting on this forum is well calculated and even if 1% of the people who read it, decide to go for Mac instead of AmigaOne, it's directly filling their pockets.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #232 on: January 29, 2011, 12:04:03 PM »
I'd just call this thread 'stating the obvious', but not the obvious.

I could point out many things that are expensive in shops and the cheaper alternatives all day long.

Some people pay thousands of pounds for a bit of crockery or art at an auction. Why? Maybe as an investment of sorts, but more often than not... simply because they WANT TO or CAN and have an interest in the piece. Are they mad for doing so?

If you're passionate about something and have a keen interest, you will support it and will pay money to support it. Simple. We are all individuals.

Alas, it's human nature to disagree over such things.

Tiresome? Definitely.

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #233 on: January 29, 2011, 12:05:00 PM »
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Well, look from their perspective. They have the reason to trash the new Amiga hardware about its price and speed. Because a person who reads this thread would eventually decide against AmigaOne hardware and buy Mac then end up buying MorphOS license = profit for the OP.

So, the time spend on posting on this forum is well calculated and even if 1% of the people who read it, decide to go for Mac instead of AmigaOne, it's directly filling their pockets.


Well, if this would be so, it would be a very poor thing to do..
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #234 on: January 29, 2011, 12:05:57 PM »
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I am amazed that this discussion still rages on. The SAM460EX comes with AmigaOS 4.1 (you have to buy it that way) and will probably never run MorphOS.
And the G4 Macs and the 460EX are, at similar clock speeds, virtually on par with each other in terms of performance.
Why is there such unnecessary friction betwen these two camps?
Acube won't even sell this board without AOS4 unless you are one of their 'industrial partners.

Why can't we just leave this one alone?

If I had to cast a guess I'd say it's simply because various people in either camp see any progress in their counterpart camp(s) as a threat to their interests.

You'll rarely see a forum conversation about the benefits of MorphOS that don't end up with a long list of points about it's superiority to OS4. Likewise, you'll not see a conversation about the benefits of OS4 without it being the "legitimate" successor being used as arguments against MorphOS. It's as if advocates on either side can't actually extol the benefits of their preferred platform in isolation.

In the end, the only people on the planet with even the slightest interest in using either MorphOS or OS4 are existing/former Amiga users. If I were a gambling man (which I'm not but nevertheless...), I'd put money on there not a single soul in either camp having come from the "outside" with no prior Amiga experience.

That makes a very small market for your product, in which a sale for the "other guy" almost always represent a loss of a sale for you (except for those of us that actually want both). In that environment, I guess you have to expect a degree of competition bashing - it's a basic survival strategy.

If you want to see an end to this nonsense, we'll all have spread cash (and love) and buy both ;)
« Last Edit: January 29, 2011, 12:08:18 PM by Karlos »
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #235 on: January 29, 2011, 12:14:18 PM »
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@Iggy

  I completely agree.  Sadly some people, who clearly have no interest in OS4 and never will be interested in it, seem to feel the need to take every opportunity to create threads for the sole purpose of bashing OS4 and/or OS4 hardware.

  I, for one, have every intention of buying a Sam460 and stupids threads like this are not going to change my mind.  The only thing these threads accomplish is to annoy people and make enemies.  It's time to give it a rest and let things be the way they are.

+1

This is why I recently asked the question if these people want to see the AmigaONE X1000 project to fail with clearly so many people dont like the root Hyperion have decided to go with OS4, I'm glad most dont want it to just fail even if its completely stupid idea from their point of view.  But when you get threads like these I cant help but feel that deep down they would like OS4 to flop to allow MorphOS or what ever they support to become the main stream ng amiga which I think is a shame as I think any camp/developer/manufacture (like acube and aeon) that is willing to still try and support the Amiga community (any part of the community) deserver a bit more respect and not the bashing some people give out (even C=USA too a point.)

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #236 on: January 29, 2011, 12:34:29 PM »
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Because a person who reads this thread would eventually decide against AmigaOne hardware and buy Mac then end up buying MorphOS license = profit for the OP.
People are of course free to express their opinion about me but here I must take an exception. I am not getting any "profit" from this. I have never collected any money from the MorphOS registrations and I don't intend to do so in the future. My financial status allows me to keep my hobby that: a hobby.

The money from the registrations is mostly used to keep the web site, registration server and other support infrastructure running. It is also used to obtain hardware for potential future ports.

Any claims that I would somehow get financial benefit from this is clearly nonsense.

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So, the time spend on posting on this forum is well calculated ...  it's directly filling their pockets.
Frankly, I find this just offensive.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2011, 01:23:31 PM by Piru »
 

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #237 on: January 29, 2011, 12:38:39 PM »
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People are of course free to express their opinion about me but here I must take an exception. I am not getting any "profit" from this.

Since when MorphOS became non profit (i.e FREE)? I must have missed the news. Please point me where to download full UNRESTRICTED version of MorphOS for FREE?

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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #238 on: January 29, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »
I think Piru is saying he does not get paid at all for being a MorphOS dev, pretty easy to understand I think
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Re: SAM 460 poor performance, high price
« Reply #239 on: January 29, 2011, 01:00:02 PM »
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I think Piru is saying he does not get paid at all for being a MorphOS dev, pretty easy to understand I think


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