What the F***!

[Terminills]

Fairdinkem

He was referring to x86 version of FF.. hence the silliness.. cmon man.

I was referring to the main browser not the available plugins(which won't instantly become available when ff comes to any OS anyways). =]

[Karlos]

But then we aren't talking about the browser anymore we're talking about the available plugins =P


Oh and the font rendering engine in Firefox blows in comparison to webkit btw =]

PS.  Speaking of developmental plugins Chrome is starting to get quite a few nice ones lately =]

Sure, speaking as a user, webkit presently owns gecko for rendering speed/compliance, I've not said otherwise. However, speaking as a developer, even chrome's excellent built-in development tools are still no match for a combo firebug/firephp/fiddler/web developer set installed on Firefox.

[Karlos]

I was referring to the main browser not the available plugins(which won't instantly become available when ff comes to any OS anyways). =]

You do realise that aside from flash and other stream playback based plugins, virtually every firefox extension (also commonly called plugins by the vast majority of people ) is written in JS/XUL and as such, should work on any build?

[Terminills]

You mean the ones That most people commonly use?

and yes I did know that the js/xul were mostly platform independent

PS.  I'm sure people will have a blast auto-filling forms etc. hehe

PS2:  Firebug looks nice btw I'll have to look into it. =]

[jj]

Terminillis
 
Not sure if you should stop taking drugs or Start!
 
That is quite a silly statement

I can see what he is trying to get at.  been using firefox for years and its gone really realy slow and bloated.
 
Chrome is what I use most of the time now

[WolfToTheMoon]

I can see what he is trying to get at.  been using firefox for years and its gone really realy slow and bloated.
 
Chrome is what I use most of the time now

Indeed... I prefer 2.x to 3.x when it comes to speed. Even stability was not bad in 2.x. We'll see if 4.x brings it's mojo back...

[Fab]

Sure, speaking as a user, webkit presently owns gecko for rendering speed/compliance, I've not said otherwise. However, speaking as a developer, even chrome's excellent built-in development tools are still no match for a combo firebug/firephp/fiddler/web developer set installed on Firefox.

Well, WebKit's builtin WebInspector is rather good in my opinion (it's also very actively developed). I don't use Firebug, but from the "feature list", they both look quite similar (resource inspection with on-the fly modifications, js debugger, network analysis / performance, ...).

In OWB, I also added several features (content/ad blocker, userscript manager, stylesheet manager, url preferences, network manager...) that don't exist in a default Firefox setup and must be installed as 3rd-party extensions (which is always a hassle for the lambda user).

But of course, it's somewhat hard to compete alone against the horde of Mozilla and extensions developers.

[Karlos]

@Fab

Firebug has been around a long time; it seems entirely likely that the built-in tools in many current browsers (certainly IE8's if you've ever looked at it) have been inspired by it, and it in turn has been inspired by unique features of browser's own inspectors.

Firebug itself enables further extensions. For example, if you are doing LAMP development, one of the nice things you can do with firebug is run firephp, which allows you to send debug information from the server side PHP to the browser via headers so that it doesn't interfere (generally) with the page operation. You can then view the debug output directly firebug's console. There are loads of nifty tools like this.

Note that firebug (lite) is also available for webkit browsers nowadays too

[Karlos]

BTW, as an end user, I use webkit too

[commodorejohn]

I've been using Firefox 1.5 ever since they came out with 2 and things started getting large and slow. Aside from a few poorly-designed sites, I've never had any trouble with it.

[nicholas]

Firefox has indeed swelled out, but if you do web development, some of the plugins available for it are simply peerless.

The level of disdain I have for web "development" is beaten only by that which I have with  regard to Visual Basic.

[jj]

Whats wrong with VB.  These days you can now acccess everyhting you can with C or C#.
 
Does VB complie into slower code ?   Do you not like the syntax
 
Why the hatred for VB ?

[nicholas]

Whats wrong with VB.  These days you can now acccess everyhting you can with C or C#.
 
Does VB complie into slower code ?   Do you not like the syntax
 
Why the hatred for VB ?

It's t3h 3v1L!!!!

"Those that can 'C', those that can't 'VB'' :-P

[jj]

To be honest, I know very little VB, only what I have picked up having to use OLE calls to VBA to integrate the sofatware we use to inegrate with word, excel , outlook etc.
 
I am only now trying to learn C with a view to do some MorphOS dev, but work, life, etc keeps getting in way.

[dammy]

Read a few pages and got bored rather quickly.

C=USA is clearly trying to de-rail A-Eon's/Hyperion's attempt to bring a new computer running AmigaOS.  Simple as that.

Except C=USA doesn't care about Hyperion.

Its obvious... consider the facts.

1) They are calling their linux distribution Workbench.  If C=USA do go ahead and actually bring something to market Hyperion will sue and C=USA will lose.

Except Hyperion has zero license agreements or trademarks with the name, "Workbench."  Right now AI is battling Cloanto over their trademark name of, "Workbench."  What does Hyperion have to do with it?

2) They are calling this distribution version 5.  When it should be version 1; clearly set to confuse the consumer into thinking 'ooo cool this must be a long overdue update to version Workbench 3 I remember back in the day.'  This is a clearly a case of viral marketing.

Last Workbench released was 3.x.  C=USA should be calling it Workbench4.  Would that make you happier?

3) Imagery.  Using images without permission, making banner look like A.org etc.  Using images that are not appropriate to the products they are licensed to sell.

I see nothing on commodoreusa.net that looks like a banner from AO.  If you are referring to Commodore-amiga.org, that is non C=USA's web site, that belongs to Terminills.

4) External forum site that can easily be disassociated from/with the C=USA website when it goes tits up.  Leaving these 'C=USA' fans disillusioned.

Same can be said for Amigans.net, so what?

6) $30 million TV marketing campaign for Christmas 2010... which never happened.

Nope, they never declared it was for Christmas 2010.  Now I did read it was supposedly spread out over five years.

Any more factually challenged statements?

[WolfToTheMoon]

Visual Basic is not bad at all...

C++ gets more on my nerves.

But the worst of all, to me, is old Pascal(which I was forced to use in high-school).

JAVA rules . And it will be available on the future WBX, thankfully. CUDA should be interesting also.