Netsurf 68k

[amigadave]

That is not a official aweb support page, official page is gone for long time ago. Developer files and lates sources are allso gone???

We have such a tiny community that OWB port for UEA use wouldn't be good thing, it woun't benefit real amiga users.

It wouldn't hurt Classic 68k Amiga users if a port of OWB were ported to UAE.  UAE is nothing without AmigaOS1.x to 3.x running on top of it, so porting OWB for use on AmigaOS1.x to 3.x when run on top of UAE "might" benefit users of Classic 68k Amigas, if they have an fast 68060 & RTG graphics card.

But I agree that anyone running UAE to run AmigaOS would be better off just switching to the host OS and using what ever modern browser they have for that host OS to do their browsing and downloading of files, then transfer them into the UAE Amiga emulated OS for use.

[utri007]

What a about AWeb?? I woun't use it, ibrowse is far better, but none of them doesn't have css supoort wich is essential now a days.

Netsurf shows quite lot web pages right, like amiga.org, amigaworld.net ie.. aweb/ibrowse doesn't

OWB port for UEA use is not good thing, because IF we get semi modern browser for 68k amigas, it is most like just one, not netsurf and OWB.

[Louis Dias]

What a about AWeb?? I woun't use it, ibrowse is far better, but none of them doesn't have css supoort wich is essential now a days.

Netsurf shows quite lot web pages right, like amiga.org, amigaworld.net ie.. aweb/ibrowse doesn't

OWB port for UEA use is not good thing, because IF we get semi modern browser for 68k amigas, it is most like just one, not netsurf and OWB.

Did you look at the screenshots in the AWeb link?  The looked right to me.

[utri007]

Screenshot is old...

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14023&forum=2#199290

Amiga 4000 boot trouble thread from amigaworld, 5 years ago. I belive they have made changes after that, very same reason as an amigans.net was forced to change.

When you visited here with AWeb last time?

[nicholas]

If you ask Karlos nicely he might give you the url for the Amiga compatible amiga.org

[Karlos]

@nicholas

What a about AWeb?? I woun't use it, ibrowse is far better, but none of them doesn't have css supoort wich is essential now a days.

Netsurf shows quite lot web pages right, like amiga.org, amigaworld.net ie.. aweb/ibrowse doesn't

Try http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/ in AWeb/IBrowse

[chris]

The question is, would it be easier / faster to port Netsurf so that it doesn't use SDL, uses MUI and works fast.  Or would it be easier / faster to update AWeb (which is open source, I believe...)

The former.

Is netsurf for OS4 SDL based, or is it reaction/mui?

OS4 NetSurf is Reaction-based.  There shouldn't be anything there which wouldn't work on OS3.9u2, the actual GUI stuff is pretty simple windows/buttons/empty space/tabs with some dynamic adding/removing (which can always be stuck in "always there" mode if necessary).  It may need some slight reworking to replace new OS4 functions with older ones.

The hardest part will be modifying the plotters to use an 8-bit palette, and the UTF-8 text display will need replacing (I have some old code using ttfengine which should work as a replacement with some updating).

It'll take somebody a few weeks to "back-port" it.

If anybody does this and bases it on the OS4 code, please just #ifdef so improvements benefit both versions.

Oh, and join the netsurf-dev mailing list!

Chris

[wawrzon]

chris, i can take a look, no promisses though. y'know, im not a coder.

[utri007]

wawrzon: Great if you get stuck, remember that here are lot of coders that enjoy to help not me

[Crumb]

Sadly Bernd and Artur only seem to be interested in hacking the SDL frontend, which wasn't really designed as a full desktop browser.

And unfortunately they use ixemul instead of libnix, making the final product not as nice as it could be. Do you know if OS4 netsurf could be recompiled with clib2 instead of newlib? Since there's a clib2 version for m68k perhaps it makes the job easier.

How would libnix and clib2 compare on m68k? which one would be better? I have noticed that Damato is using clib2 for its MUI m68k classes.

[chris]

@wawrzon

Good luck!

@Crumb

And unfortunately they use ixemul instead of libnix, making the final product not as nice as it could be. Do you know if OS4 netsurf could be recompiled with clib2 instead of newlib? Since there's a clib2 version for m68k perhaps it makes the job easier.

IIRC I never got it to build with clib2, but I was very close and was having less problems than with newlib.  I switched because newlib is recommended and a library I needed I only had a newlib version of, after that I didn't try clib2 again.

I don't expect any particular problems with clib2, and no *ix libraries should be needed with a native interface.  I don't know which functions are requiring the use of ixemul, NS doesn't use any functions that aren't in standard clib2 AFAIK.

[utri007]

Any news about this?

[chris]

Any news about this?

Some unconnected movement:
http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2011-January/002297.html

What needs to be done:
http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2011-January/002304.html

Any takers?

[utri007]

Hope you get  help.

Good/working web browser is important, so there should be plenty of helppers

[IRTheBorg]

Hi - this is my first post here, and it's a fitting subject hehe. I am at this very moment using netsurf 68k (the latest from aminet) on amikit under OS3.9 and WinUAE. It works really well - pages display correctly, and it's fast under my settings. However it's not perfect - for instance there is no right click function - not a big limit, but it's diferent o be sure. I hope this will be the first of many post for me.

[Rodomoc]

Hi - this is my first post here, and it's a fitting subject hehe. I am at this very moment using netsurf 68k (the latest from aminet) on amikit under OS3.9 and WinUAE. It works really well - pages display correctly, and it's fast under my settings. However it's not perfect - for instance there is no right click function - not a big limit, but it's diferent o be sure. I hope this will be the first of many post for me.

....I have found Netsurf68K also to be quite satisfactory in WinUAE. Sure it is minus various features but it displays even the most complex web pages. I had it out on various world news sites (full of complex content) and it all looked pretty good via Netsurf. The YouTube video playing trick also worked better than expected. So for WinUAE or maybe Amithlon uses, this is the only 68K web browser of merit in my opinion.