CommodoreUSA site updated

[Franko]

You be hard pushed to find a bigger fan of the names Commodore & Amiga than me, but what does it matter that CommodoreUSA are using the these names. Anyone who has the smallest inkling of what the C64 or Amiga really is won't be fooled into thinking these machines are the real thing.

If some unsuspecting numptie comes along and buys one of these things then hey, thats tough luck for them if they think they are getting the real deal, they should have done their homework first before parting with their cash. All the views expressed here including mine won't make the slightest bit of difference to CommodoreUSA.

They are nothing more than us Amiga users passing the time with some idle chit chat very much like the Natami thread has become (do the folk who post and argue about which processor it should have used really think there going to affect the end product, I think not...

So lets remember whatever our feelings and views on CommodoreUSA are, at the end of the day nothing any of us say here will matter one little bit to them and whatever their business plan may be...

Carry on debating... it's all in the name of entertainment...

(PS:I've just nicked the Commodore logos from their site to use on my site as I thought they were quite well done and better than the one's I'd nicked from another site...

[Manu]

I don't know if I'm going to buy any of those that's too early to sat..but I must say they do the exact thing I think can be done with Commodore-Amiga names today.

Can we forget already that a startup could pick up from where the old Commodore where and produce new unique hardware ? That's impossible the world has changed too much. If you want to get anywhere without pumping in insane amount of money you got to use off shelf hardware. And off shelf hardware might even last longer than home brew hardware because it's tested more. Also what's under the hood is not of importance to me. Price and how the computer behaves is more important.

The big question mark for me is "What is WB 5 ?" It might be good, it might not. The ideal situation would be of course OS4 or MOS or AROS being sold with these machines. That's not realistic to happen so C=USA got to do something on their own. This is where I'm very sceptic but I don't have a need to flame them already. I want to see it first. If they are financially strong they could always hire good coders to make WB5 a nice distro or whatever you want to call it.

The PC64 is a different beast. That I believe can sell. And I think this is the project C=USA is really about today. Much hangs on how well this goes out to the retro people. Many here say they could just grab a C64 and do it themselves. I have one in my closet but I would never have the heart to break it apart for something like that. Not even if it were a broken one off ebay. If you don't understand why PC64 could sell then maybe the VIC or C64 wasn't your first computer. It's all about nostalgy here.

[Franko]

Also what's under the hood is not of importance to me. Price and how the computer behaves is more important.

That's an odd statement... :confused:

If what's under the hood doesn't matter then you be quite happy to buy a load of junk just because it was cheap and behaved well. What happens when the pile of junk you bought breaks down after six months do you continually go on buying junk until you've spent more than you would have if you initially paid out on some decent hardware

One thing I've learnt over the years is if you want the best you have to pay for it, being a skinflint usually costs you more in the long run...

[Manu]

That's an odd statement... :confused:

If what's under the hood doesn't matter then you be quite happy to buy a load of junk just because it was cheap and behaved well. What happens when the pile of junk you bought breaks down after six months do you continually go on buying junk until you've spent more than you would have if you initially paid out on some decent hardware

One thing I've learnt over the years is if you want the best you have to pay for it, being a skinflint usually costs you more in the long run...

Sorry I did not mean it like that. I meant it doesn't matter if there's AMD Intel PPC or whatever. But the price needs to be reasonable and I they won't get any problem with motherboards if they use well tested off the shelf hardware from known distributon channels . I'm not hoping for Apple prices. For example I don't think my McBook is superior to my Thinkpad just because it cost more.

[Franko]

@ Manu
Ahh... I did wonder if you really meant it to come across like that. I see what you mean now, and having bought two second hand iMacs I certainly wouldn't pay the retail price for one of their machines...
(they may be good quality & components in a mac but most of the price is paying for the name & the looks...

[cicero790]

Well, I am happy as a clam about current developments.  Very interesting to see the prototype pic's. Very interesting times. Good tactical move to start with the c64 to pickup momentum for the Amiga models.

I say Go C=USA. Take the dream.

[TheDaddy]

@Belial6

>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.

What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?

Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?

[TheDaddy]

Damn how'd you have the time to ask all of the old Commodore staff what they throught?

I thought those were the only true Commodore and Amiga people =]

See all the previous threads about CUSA and you'll understand. Most people feel offended by CUSA.

[TheDaddy]

Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.

[Boudicca]

Its all in the name. Its Mutton dressed up as lamb.

Commodore is just a bunch of butchers and that mutton will stink by next Christmas.

[takemehomegrandma]

Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?

Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork.  As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art.  You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.

+1

I haven't seen a single sign of a real, factual problem here, not one! Only a handful of people with an obvious agenda, bending over backwards in their attempts to *create* a problem. Like hockey supporters crying "foul" as soon as they *believe* or *want* something to be a problem, even though they are merely bystanders themselves and not part of the game at all. And like the supporters they are, they have really tight standards when it comes to judging the visiting team, but a complete different set of standards when judging their own teams faults.

Couldn't care less about crying bystanders though, when the reason to why I'm really here is for the match!

(And BTW, didn't we see that "boxes" theme in another version as well, but they were all blue then, with the text "MorphOS", probably to illustrate the "box philosophy" of the OS? Then they suddenly became red and white?)

[takemehomegrandma]

If you check their website under products...
 
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
 
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
 
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore)  So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
 
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
 
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
 
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
 
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
 
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.

Please stop shouting about this, when it's so darn obvious that the whole thing currently is a document under work! It's all moving targets! What's the problem? In what way has anyone been damaged or hurt by them evaluating different options to go ahead?

When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).

[takemehomegrandma]

I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.

Then where have you been the last 10 years? "The name" has been about the only reason to why 99% of OS4 users went that way instead of MorphOS, despite OS4 having less Amiga compatibility, being slower, having less features and lower specs! :lol: But that's only movements within this tight little sealed off community of hobbyists anyway...

In a *real* context, the trademarks Commodore and Amiga could be the way to reach those masses of people that once owned a Commodore or Amiga, that sees the new C64 in an ad, looks at its specs, and decides: "heck, this would be a cool thing! Not only can I use Open Office and similar creativity and Internet applications, I can also play those old C64 and Amiga games on it that I remember and cherished! And my friends would be really impressed by its design!"

[djrikki]

When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).

All they have delivered so far is a website and a forum - period.  A-Eon don't have a pre-payment scheme either - it's called a Beta Test programme which is something completely different.  I suppose a Commodore USA 64 (it will not be a Commodore 64, notice the shorting to C=) will for some people be pretty cool and yes have mojo, but for me and many others in will just look a heap of junk.

Cool trademarks?  Commodore USA 64 doesn't sound that cool to me nor does Commodore USA Amiga.

If C=USA actually bring a single product to market I would be very surprised indeed to me its just a smear campaign.

Edit: Oh yeah and this Workbench 5.0 is just asking for trouble.  Clearly an attempt to confuse the consumer.

[Argo]

What? No Tablet!

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

Let's leave it then. You believe in your MorphOS and AROS (maybe an indication that you have spent little time on amigaworld.net or amigans.net) so I suggest you get out more.

Again you think I am a fully devoted AmigaOS 4/Hyperion/ACube/A-Eon/red or whatever the f*ck you paint them nowadays, you might be disappointed to know that I am not, I just support what I think is good for the Amiga and when they f*ck up, which they do at times, I get p*ssed at them as much as I do with CUSA, AROS etc..etc...

You are WELL confused my man. You say the world has moved along then you add "the only way to make money is to have this retro gimmick stuff" now explain...

I am not interested in CUSA making money that much, as I said IF they have the name they can slap it on toilet seats as far as I am concerned which would be a shame but it's their property.

>>You probably doesn't understand why; (erm...it's "You probably DON'T understand why")


>>your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses)

WRONG! I was talking about the long time Amigans who can appreciate the difference.

>>actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.

Oh my god! Full of misconception and prejudice. I spend more time here than on the other two sites that you clearly hate. I have posted more here than on amigans and have had two accounts here for years.

I suggest you stop trying to make me look like I hate CUSA/AROS/MOS because that is not the case.

I even got invited by CUSA to design a computer case for them, which is something I am still considering so just look how wrong you are.

My opinion (I could be wrong) is that CUSA's market is NOT real (long term) Amigans (AROS, OS4 users etc...) or let's say a small percentage of real (read long term-since 1981, Commodore users).

If they were smart they wouldn't concentrate their business plan on us (long time Commodore/Amiga users) but on the ones who used to be or young generations.

Thanks.