The Future Of The Amiga - Where Do You Stand...

[Iggy]

but the point I'm making is that we are moving forward and finally not going backwards when AI had us all in a strangle hold.  Amiga has it's own dedicated hardware that's brand spanking new and reliable....so far the Sam440 was successful enough for ACube to make the 460ex & hopefully the X1000 will be successful enough for A-Eon to make the next 'better' PPC Amiga hardware on so on etc. etc. etc.

AROS is rocking along with no schedule to make the x86 camp happy so the future looks bright for both PPC and x86 Amigans world wide:knuddel:

There is something there we can agree with. It's a shame we're not entire rid of Bill McEwen. Now he's managed dilute the definition of what an Amiga is. Frankly. I can't think of anyone who's done us more harm.

And new hardware! This is great.

I now you don't agree with those of us using Macs, but consider this,  MorphOS was designed to run on PPC equipped Amigas, it was ported to one of the first NG platforms (the Pegasos), and our developers are doing what they can to keep our system alive and moving forward.

And, personally, I disagree that there is a blue vs red camp fraction. I'm glas AOS is in Hyperions hand and I wish them continued sucess.

[Arkhan]

I'd love to play MP3's without my 1200 exploding from the strain, without buying shaky old accelerators for hundreds of dollars off ebay.
 
 
Here's the question though: What harm is it if the Natami or clone a sees light and people can buy it ?
 
I have never understood the fervent desire geeks get for technology to fail or not get made.

Its not that I want it to fail or whatever, I just dont see the point of these things usually.

Is that what you want the new hardware for?  MP3 playback?  That seems mental.    Im one of those people that doesn't see the purpose in something that does something thats already being done.

Mp3 playback seems like an expensive novelty.  Like buying a coin operated gumball machine for your living room

[runequester]

Its not that I want it to fail or whatever, I just dont see the point of these things usually.
 
Is that what you want the new hardware for? MP3 playback? That seems mental. Im one of those people that doesn't see the purpose in something that does something thats already being done.
 
Mp3 playback seems like an expensive novelty. Like buying a coin operated gumball machine for your living room

Its the first thing that came to mind.
 
The point Im trying to make is.. I'd love to be able to buy something thats completely compatible with amiga stuff, has a bit more oomph to it, is an actual machine rather than just UAE, and is new.
 
 
My crappy PC running linux was 400 bucks at fry's. It does more than Morph, aros and OS4 ever will be able to do, combined.
But that's not really what it's about for me.

[klx300r]

There is something there we can agree with. It's a shame we're not entire rid of Bill McEwen. Now he's managed dilute the definition of what an Amiga is. Frankly. I can't think of anyone who's done us more harm.

And new hardware! This is great.

I now you don't agree with those of us using Macs, but consider this,  MorphOS was designed to run on PPC equipped Amigas, it was ported to one of the first NG platforms (the Pegasos), and our developers are doing what they can to keep our system alive and moving forward.

And, personally, I disagree that there is a blue vs red camp fraction. I'm glas AOS is in Hyperions hand and I wish them continued sucess.

btw, trolls fight wars, Amiga users unite !

(also just between us...back when it looked like AI was gonna hold us all in chains for another decade I came THIS close to buying a Peg to run MOS..the deal didn't go through at the last minute or I'd be a happy MOS user...so respect to MOS for keeping the dream alive when it looked bleak for us)

[Franko]

The point Im trying to make is.. I'd love to be able to buy something thats completely compatible with amiga stuff, has a bit more oomph to it, is an actual machine rather than just UAE, and is new.

That just about sums up my point of view too on this subject, although I'd just like to add it would also most likely mean that we would be able to buy off the shelf peripherals (CD/DVD drives etc..) that we could also run easily on newer hardware if it ever comes to light...

@ redfox
You shouldn't apologise for anything, your perfectly entitled to say your point of view as was I in responding to it, but as you apologised (even though I don't think the apology was intended for me specifically) then I too apologise for being a bit harsh in my reply to your post...

@ the_leander
Have to disagree with you once again the silly "trolling" word was not used correctly, but then you'd know all about "trolling" wouldn't you... :rolleyes:

[Iggy]

Its the first thing that came to mind.
 
The point Im trying to make is.. I'd love to be able to buy something thats completely compatible with amiga stuff, has a bit more oomph to it, is an actual machine rather than just UAE, and is new.
 
 
My crappy PC running linux was 400 bucks at fry's. It does more than Morph, aros and OS4 ever will be able to do, combined.
But that's not really what it's about for me.

You almost sound defensive about your position. I can understand the Linux/X86 arguement (why not I own PCs).
But your Linux box (unless you're running AROS) doesn't allow you to develop new code using tools and system calls similar to those we used to use on the Amiga.
And I have copies of Linux, Windows and UAE. MorphOS feels closer to a real Amiga than those solutions. And why not, it was intended to move the original legacy hardware forward.
BTW - Did you know the endianess of X86 processors is different than the 68K and PPCs (and ARM for that matter)? X86s do not run legacy code as well as they could because of this. Its a good thing that X86s are fast because they lose about 50% of their efficiency running this emulation.

You want a better solution for your Linux box? Consider native X86 AROS. As its UAE integration improves and native apps become more common, this systems going to become more and more authentic in action and better in performance (than many other NG OS').

And really authentic (and probably still a bit slow)? The FPGA projects (Replay, Natami, Minimig) are probably the way to go.

[Arkhan]

doing new software development is about the only real purpose I see to this.


What software exclusive to the Amiga are people really wanting to run on newer, more reliable hardware?   Im actually curious.  Because if its just to run internet crap, play mp3s, and fight the M$POWER, I don't see the point still.

[commodorejohn]

What software exclusive to the Amiga are people really wanting to run on newer, more reliable hardware?   Im actually curious.  Because if its just to run internet crap, play mp3s, and fight the M$POWER, I don't see the point still.

I dunno, for me web browsing/etc. isn't so much about fighting the power (because yeah, that would be pretty pointless) as it is about it being cool to pull those kinds of things off on an old machine (or even an upgraded reproduction.) It's the same reason I'm working on getting my 286 box set up with an Ethernet adapter and mTCP, just to have done it.

As for Amiga-exclusive software, I think it'd be fun to have a reasonably-inexpensive higher-power Amiga solution (like NatAmi seems to be aiming for) so that we could write slightly higher-power Amiga games (something on the level of Descent, for instance) and casual retro hobbyists could have something to run it on without having to track down an AGA Amiga, 30MHz+ 030-040 accelerator, SCSI controller and hard disk, and RAM expansion just to run it. As it stands right now, some of us just couldn't afford all that even if we wanted it.

[Arkhan]

so for some people its a "just because" sort of thing.  

lol, whatever floats your boat.

I got tired of having that shit set up just to play games.  The ooo-ahhh factor wore off kind of fast.  



The only old computer I have set up is an MSX Turbo R, and if I didn't program stuff for it, id box it up and get it out of my way.

[Iggy]

doing new software development is about the only real purpose I see to this.


What software exclusive to the Amiga are people really wanting to run on newer, more reliable hardware?   Im actually curious.  Because if its just to run internet crap, play mp3s, and fight the M$POWER, I don't see the point still.

A good question. Might be a the basis for a new thread. What software would you like to see and how can new Amiga hardware set itself apart?

Btw - Arkhan, you still use and develop code for MSX? The MSX TurboR iis still a pretty neat system. Never caught on in the US, but nice specs.

[Franko]

doing new software development is about the only real purpose I see to this.


What software exclusive to the Amiga are people really wanting to run on newer, more reliable hardware?   Im actually curious.  Because if its just to run internet crap, play mp3s, and fight the M$POWER, I don't see the point still.

For me the Amiga & games hold very little interest, I use it mainly for creating/editing GFX, creating/editing Audio & CDs , DTP, writing letters, burning CD/DVDs that kind of stuff...

So some new hardware that can run all the old utils that I enjoy a bit faster than my 060/PPC would be a great thing...

[Arkhan]

A good question. Might be a the basis for a new thread. What software would you like to see and how can new Amiga hardware set itself apart?

I think if theres enough people wanting the new hardware for exclusive purposes, its a pretty solid idea...

I cant say I'd agree with new hardware just to have another daily computerbox9000

Btw - Arkhan, you still use and develop code for MSX? The MSX TurboR iis still a pretty neat system. Never caught on in the US, but nice specs.

Yeah, I do some game programming and music stuff on the MSX.   I have a few MSX2+'s, and the Turbo R.

I wish it had caught on in the US.  It is a damn fine 8-bit machine.

[Iggy]

I think if theres enough people wanting the new hardware for exclusive purposes, its a pretty solid idea...

I cant say I'd agree with new hardware just to have another daily computerbox9000



Yeah, I do some game programming and music stuff on the MSX.   I have a few MSX2+'s, and the Turbo R.

I wish it had caught on in the US.  It is a damn fine 8-bit machine.

I'd agree with that last sentiment. The TI VDG used in the first machines was pretty advanced for its time and the specs on later machines continued to improve. Its hard to believe people wetre willing to put up with crap like the AppleII when this system was available.

Microsoft should have pushed this in the US. They could have given all the other 8-bit systems a run for their money.

[Franko]

A good question. Might be a the basis for a new thread. What software would you like to see and how can new Amiga hardware set itself apart?

Well there was a poll recently about what software folk would like to see for the Amiga and a new Browser came out on top, so that ones been answered.

And this thread basically has folk expressing their views on which kind of hardware should be the future for the Amiga, so that seems to be covered as well...

[Iggy]

Well there was a poll recently about what software folk would like to see for the Amiga and a new Browser came out on top, so that ones been answered.

And this thread basically has folk expressing their views on which kind of hardware should be the future for the Amiga, so that seems to be covered as well...

Great Franko,
So we need FPGA hardware emulating an enhanced Amiga to run an enhanced  web browser like Firefox/Timberwolf?

That does it, I'm disregarding the opinions of other Amigans.

[Franko]

Great Franko,
So we need FPGA hardware emulating an enhanced Amiga to run an enhanced  web browser like Firefox/Timberwolf?

That does it, I'm disregarding the opinions of other Amigans.

If I could work out what your trying to say their, then I could give you an answer... :confused: