The Future Of The Amiga - Where Do You Stand...

[Franko]

I apologize in advance for the insensitive nature of this quote but it is most fitting:

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded."

Erm... not everyone in the Special Olympics is retarded, most only actually have physical disabilities...

So that statement while it might offend some, could easily fit into the retarded class...

But why does debating something when it comes to the Amiga have to be classed as arguing, that what I call retarded thinking...

[klx300r]

Hi,

Please don't insult the Amiga by running it on a MAC.  

smerf

agree 100% with this comment as my dislike for anything Apple goes back to the very first Apple I release....over priced and hyped/marketed to the tilt!...I give them credit for marketing to the the pre-teens and making shiny white cases though:rolleyes:

AmigaOS running on 2'nd hand Apple hardware would have indeed been an insult.

funny it seems anything negative against almight Apple gets vigoroulsy debated or mysteriously deleted after a while on this site:confused:..seems someone here perhaps has something to gain by promoting Apple on an Amiga site:cool:

[Karlos]

How is the purchase of second hand Apple hardware to run an OS that is nothing to do with Apple promoting Apple?

[orb85750]

I just think developing new hardware when the old stuff is still present and working is kind of pointless, especially if all you want to do is fire up games from 1987

But most of the new hardware under development, such as Natami, will offer many improvements over older hardware.  If you simply want to play some Amiga games from floppy, then by all means grab a cheap A500 off eBay.

[Tension]

agree 100% with this comment as my dislike for anything Apple goes back to the very first Apple I release....over priced and hyped/marketed to the tilt!...I give them credit for marketing to the the pre-teens and making shiny white cases though:rolleyes:

AmigaOS running on 2'nd hand Apple hardware would have indeed been an insult.

funny it seems anything negative against almight Apple gets vigoroulsy debated or mysteriously deleted after a while on this site:confused:..seems someone here perhaps has something to gain by promoting Apple on an Amiga site:cool:

What a strange attitude you and smerf have.  I would much rather run AmigaOS on a G5 than a SAM440 any day.

Why would you not want to run AmigaOS on faster hardware?

[tone007]

SAM440: Not an Amiga, slow, expensive.

MacMini: Not an Amiga, faster than SAM440, cheap.

I know which hardware I'd go for.

[Iggy]

What a strange attitude you and smerf have.  I would much rather run AmigaOS on a G5 than a SAM440 any day.

Why would you not want to run AmigaOS on faster hardware?

I am baffled by this seconded opinion myself. If I thought using 2nd hand hardware that Apple has abandoned support of was somehow supporting Apple I might be able to understand this idea.
But all I want is faster, more affordable PPC hardware and this stuff has surprised me as to how good it runs (if you don't rely on Apple for the OS).
Believe me, I suffered at a company that had purchased Apple IIIs and I'm seriously worried about the hubris common in the Apple community. Often seriously flawed products are introduced, touted and supported by Apple and its user base until they relize how bad an item is.
Besides the afore to mentioned Apple III, I remember the Newton. No wonder Apple was hesitant to produce a new tablet.
And, I still don't understand what market they think is going to embrace Apple TV.

But I am happy with the cast off G4 and G5 products. They make continuing to support PPC OS development affordable (and fast).

[klx300r]

How is the purchase of second hand Apple hardware to run an OS that is nothing to do with Apple promoting Apple?

I don't care for anything Apple related and that includes old/used Apple products..I don't want to see anything with a half eaten Apple next to any of my miggies or in my house !

[Piru]

I don't care for anything Apple related and that includes old/used Apple products..I don't want to see anything with a half eaten Apple next to any of my miggies or in my house !

Fine, whatever suits you. Meanwhile I'll continue to play with my 2 x Mac Mini G4 1.5GHz and Power Mac dual-G5 2.5GHz I got for the price of your Sam flex 800

[motrucker]

Franko,
     You are truly lucky you missed the infighting back when. I damn near sold all of my Amiga stuff back then. That was when I turned to Windows, learned it (more or less), and got used to using it.
     At this point in time, I am really glad I didn't sell my Amiga hardware & software. I still use several Amiga graphics programs and a couple of Windows programs to get my graphics work done. I like the Amiga 3.1/3.5 /3.9 OS better than anything else I have ever used
     The only real problem I have now, with any of the newer options that are more or less Amiga - is software compatibility. Most of the "emulators" are a royal pain to get software into unless you are lucky enough to have it on CD/DVD. And I don't mean games - I mean serious software. Some other options run very little, if any Amiga software.
     I am looking forward to some of the "new" Amiga options - even the X1000 (If the price can dropped a bit).
     I doubt I will ever get rid of my old, "classic" Amiga hardware though - as slow as it may be.

[motrucker]

SAM440: Not an Amiga, slow, expensive.

MacMini: Not an Amiga, faster than SAM440, cheap.

I know which hardware I'd go for.

Not a hard decision at all, is it?  I can't believe the SAM440 sell for what they do.  I may end up with a Mac mini just after the new year. See where that leads...

[Franko]

@ motrucker

I reckon if you'd sold all your Amiga hardware you would be deeply regretting it by now. Like you I prefer the old OS 3.x the best, but I have developed an interest now in AROS & MorphOS but I can safely say they will never make me get rid of my Amiga's and they will definitely never become my main computer of choice when I finally get round to trying them out.

Even the X1000 or the Natami (unless the Natami lives up to it's hype) will never be able to replace my real Amiga's as to me they are simply the best computers ever produced for my needs.

[klx300r]

Fine, whatever suits you. Meanwhile I'll continue to play with my 2 x Mac Mini G4 1.5GHz and Power Mac dual-G5 2.5GHz I got for the price of your Sam flex 800

all the power to you Piru:) I'm having a blast with my retro machines and my Samflex running OS4.1 too and neither of them have to run at 5 GHz for me to have fun;)

btw, my aversion to Apple products really has nothing to do with MOS as i respect all the work done by any parties world wide to keep the Amiga spirit alive !!!

[Buzzfuzz]

I'm having a blast with my retro machines and my Samflex running OS4.1 too and neither of them have to run at 5 GHz for me to have fun;)

5 Ghz is a bit of problem yeah, requiers dry ice or nitrogen, but 4Ghz is easy, my pc is doing that on air cooling.
 
But I'm also having a blast with them, though I think Natami would be better with a full 060 FPGA.

[Iggy]

all the power to you Piru:) I'm having a blast with my retro machines and my Samflex running OS4.1 too and neither of them have to run at 5 GHz for me to have fun;)

btw, my aversion to Apple products really has nothing to do with MOS as i respect all the work done by any parties world wide to keep the Amiga spirit alive !!!

The thing about the SAM under OS4 is when running DVDs or video of similar resolution your pegging your CPU at about 100%.
With the processor I've got in my Powermac (which is more than 2X more powerful) I can easily run 720p video and some 1080p videos.
And it cost me a fraction of your Sam.

5 Ghz is a bit of problem yeah, requiers dry ice or nitrogen, but 4Ghz is easy, my pc is doing that on air cooling.
 
But I'm also having a blast with them, though I think Natami would be better with a full 060 FPGA.

Yes, I'm barely overclocking a Phenom X3 @ 3.3 Ghz and I never experience any CPU related slow downs. But running UAE just doesn't feel the same. Ragardless of what diehard legacy hardware users think, I believe all the NG hareware/OS' feel very Amiga like.

And I think your right about the Natami. %0 Mhz and higher 68060s are still available and not emulating the CPU would leave more room for enhancing the chipset.

[redfox]

I sincerely appologize for using the term "trolling" ......