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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #89 from previous page: November 02, 2010, 12:59:34 PM »
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Who said it was easy? Regardless - Coldfire has been shown to work already. See the link I gave. Dragon was actually demonstrated live at that Amiga meeting.


I'd have to guess it was demonstrated on a cafefully selected set of task to avoid known problems. It is too bad that a card wasn't at least released as a dev unit so some of us could have played around and mapped out the good and bad of it all.

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2010, 01:17:25 PM »
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I'd have to guess it was demonstrated on a cafefully selected set of task to avoid known problems. It is too bad that a card wasn't at least released as a dev unit so some of us could have played around and mapped out the good and bad of it all.


Quite possibly. But I guess that's the price you pay for using prototype hardware. It would have been nice though to have seen it move beyond that stage though.

Ho hum. :(
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2010, 01:22:26 PM »
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It doesn't. The legal situation surrounding Amiga has effectively killed it.
It doesn't have to be that way. There are ways to get around this kind of thing, thankfully. While I may have my problems with both MorphOS and AROS, they have the right idea - skirt the whole thing by re-implementing the software cleanly. And Minimig and NatAmi are doing the same thing for the hardware end. The Amiga might have a future without the Amiga name on it, but it may still have a future.
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It seems to me that you're working off a different definition of "dead" than most of us. Dead as a mainstream computing platform, sure. Maybe even dead as a commercial product (though we'll see about that.) But it still has an active community (if not as active as the CBM 8-bitters) pouring time and effort into it, and I don't think you can call anything with that truly dead.
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2010, 01:44:54 PM »
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It doesn't have to be that way. There are ways to get around this kind of thing, thankfully. While I may have my problems with both MorphOS and AROS, they have the right idea - skirt the whole thing by re-implementing the software cleanly. And Minimig and NatAmi are doing the same thing for the hardware end. The Amiga might have a future without the Amiga name on it, but it may still have a future.


Problem is, virtually no one knows about MorphOS or AROS, same too with minimig. Outside of the community (and to a lesser extent the Alt OS crowd), these projects might as well not exist. Even Amiga's brand name recognition is fading due to time.

There is a generation of kids who were born after the demise of C= who are now preparing to enter higher education (A levels etc), in a few short years they'll be graduating from universities. These kids have never seen or heard of Commodore, Amiga, or anything else of that era and likely never will in their lifetime.

The problem with the whole retro scene is that it's a fad. It'll pass, but more than that other, more modern kit will become the retro systems of choice as time goes on.

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It seems to me that you're working off a different definition of "dead" than most of us. Dead as a mainstream computing platform, sure. Maybe even dead as a commercial product (though we'll see about that.)


No, that pretty much covers the definition I'm going on. Add to it the above as well.

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But it still has an active community (if not as active as the CBM 8-bitters) pouring time and effort into it, and I don't think you can call anything with that truly dead.


Watch me. Amiga is dead. It has a great retro following I agree. One that'll likely continue to produce some really innovative stuff (see that guy with the ZX Spectrum running a twitter client at the vintage fair, for instance), but ultimately, it's finished.

Sorry if it offends, but that's how I see it.
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2010, 01:57:51 PM »
It always surprises me that there are still people that think there are millions out there waiting for the Amiga to rise from the dead.  Can we just enjoy our hobby without trying to evoke the apocalypse?  

It's just a bit of fun.  I fire up my Amiga and I'm a kid again, I'm standing at the further shore of a revolution that is about to take place.  Leave the evangelism to the evangelicals and live in the moment.
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2010, 02:27:11 PM »
I know literally hundreds of people just in my small mining village alone who are wating for the 100 hundred year Amiga revival.  
 
Ummmmm wait I minute I don't know anyone interested in Amigas.   I know people who remember them  and always asking me why I am on this site in work, but thats it.
 
The Amstrad CPC has a bigger retro scene in the UK.
 
I have to agere with leander and others and have been saying the same thing for years.  Amiga died even before 1994.  it was in decline, PC had caught up and passed.
 
It is a hobby.  I not switch any of my classics on for years.  Not even use my copies of amiga forever anymore.
 
Been playing around with a registered copy of MorphOS recently and i am enjoying the experience.
 
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #95 on: November 02, 2010, 02:31:22 PM »
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It always surprises me that there are still people that think there are millions out there waiting for the Amiga to rise from the dead.  Can we just enjoy our hobby without trying to evoke the apocalypse?  

It's just a bit of fun.  I fire up my Amiga and I'm a kid again, I'm standing at the further shore of a revolution that is about to take place.  Leave the evangelism to the evangelicals and live in the moment.

Well I thought we had heard the last of SodaStream, but it made a comeback this year after (maybe) 20 years... and who would have seen that one coming!

:banana:

SodaStream was a very popular and iconic soft drink's machine (and drink) of the 1980s for kids... which overnight suddenly disappeared off the market.

Edit: http://www.sodastream.co.uk/gbretail/VideoDemonstration.aspx
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #96 on: November 02, 2010, 02:33:51 PM »
Soda stream was awful.  worked out much more expensive that buying bottled pop and never ever tasted better than a weak watered down version of the pop in question
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #97 on: November 02, 2010, 02:37:02 PM »
Maybe to certain folk the Amiga is nothing more than a hobby, but to me it has been and always will be my only main computer system for well over 20 years, simply put it does everything I need a computer to do :)

Now that I've found out from various folk here just what I need to get my Amiga online, all I have to do now is buy the netcard and this iMac that I've only had for a few months to see what the internet was all about can go to someone else who has a use for it... :)
 

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #98 on: November 02, 2010, 02:39:47 PM »
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Maybe to certain folk the Amiga is nothing more than a hobby, but to me it has been and always will be my only main computer system for well over 20 years, simply put it does everything I need a computer to do :)

Now that I've found out from various folk here just what I need to get my Amiga online, all I have to do now is buy the netcard and this iMac that I've only had for a few months to see what the internet was all about can go to someone else who has a use for it... :)


I honestly would hang onto the iMac, just in case your miggy misbehaves. :)
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #99 on: November 02, 2010, 02:41:10 PM »
Sure it probably was more expensive back then, but kids didn't care and I was one back then so I am sure they must have had some clever marketing which perhaps sold it.

For me it was great.. used to love the taste of it.
Ha on the topic of SodaStream... my old mother bless her still has a SodaStream machine standing proudly in her kitchen.  I wonder if the canisters will still fit? lol

@Franko

For me personally as soon as X1000 gets FireFox and some way of playing the 'going-out-of-fashion' flash animations there will be absolutely no need to own a PC/Mac if ALL you are interested in is using the internet at home and nothing more.  This will be I think of course Hyperion's no.1 goal - get the platform up to a satisfactory standard suitable for 'your average user'.
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2010, 02:45:49 PM »
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I honestly would hang onto the iMac, just in case your miggy misbehaves. :)


You have a point their, might be a good idea even though I reckon I've enough old hardware to last me until I kick the bucket, but you never know... :)

Just wish that some folk, while I respect their rights to air their points of view on the Amiga situation, would understand that there are still a few (very few!!!) of us that the Amiga does all that we require from a computer... :)
 

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2010, 02:54:00 PM »
Am with Franko.  I have a iMac at home - I will gladly replace it with Amiga X1000 upon its release because all I generally do is read stuff online, use facebook, visit youtube, do some web page design/coding, ftp and email.  If I really want to do some word processing and I can just use work PCs - until OpenOffice Amiga arrives that is.
Well its probably lucky I actually have a Mac Mini as well - which I currently share between home and work - I can always use it if I really need to use Illustrator, Photoshop or anything similar.

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2010, 02:55:15 PM »
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Am with Franko.  I have a iMac at home - I will gladly replace it with Amiga X1000 upon its release because all I generally do is read stuff online, use facebook, visit youtube, do some web page design/coding, ftp and email.  If I really want to do some word processing and I can just use work PCs - until OpenOffice Amiga arrives that is.
Well its probably lucky I actually have a Mac Mini as well - which I share between home and work - I can always use it if I really need to use Illustrator, Photoshop or anything similar.


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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2010, 02:56:01 PM »
What is ipv6?  Am sure its some sort of TCP/IP protocol standard, but what practical difference does that make?

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2010, 02:58:44 PM »
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What is ipv6?  Am sure its some sort of TCP/IP protocol standard, but what practical difference does that make?


When it replaces IPV4, it'll mean your Amigas won't be able to use the internet unless they have their TCP/IP stacks replaced.

We'll run out of IPV4 address space in lesss then 12 months.
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