A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls

[Tomas]

It is a pitty. I enjoy heated discussions, reading, and being a part of them.
Common sense depends on the eye of the beholder, and the same goes to the interpretation and missinterpretation of trolling.

In this moments of genuine threats to freedom of expression (you can call them whatever you please), is that I remember how I really miss that guy called Wayne, and that Amiga online forum he had.

Who said that constructive discussions arent allowed??
It is clearly some people here who enjoy trolling as it is the same names showing up in every thread. Take for example when X1000+ custom mouse/keyboard was first showed. Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.

And it is no longer a real discussion anymore when the trolls here have driven away nearly every OS4.x user to other sites.
I think this change in moderation will lead to more users coming back which will be good for all our OS alternatives.
We should just work more together instead of fighting. I myself would not mind owning a MOS box either and have nothing against either people who choose aros, mos, classic or whatever over 4.x.

[Piru]

Take for example when X1000+ custom mouse/keyboard was first showed. Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.

Would you be kind enough to specify who that "some" includes? Just to clear any potential misunderstanding.

[the_leander]

And it is no longer a real discussion anymore when the trolls here have driven away nearly every OS4.x user to other sites.

Say what?

That's some nice historical revisionism you have going there.

See the rest of us remember Mikey_C whining like a prissy bitch when Wayne refused to disallow MorphOS and AROS discussion on here. This in turn led to him taking the OS4 fanbois and other assorted ditto heads over to the newly created AW.net - the exodus.

Remind me again, how did that work out for you folks anyway?

Oh yes that's right, he aided in the commission of the single largest fraud this community has ever had perpetrated against it. Then he enacted yet another exodus to amigans.net when yet again those evil people with their own, non mikey approved viewpoints showed up and started asking some hard questions.

[Tension]

Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?

Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.

Have I got this right?

So if somebody asks you why you are doing something that makes them a troll?

If somebody points out that they can use their iPhone to do the job instead, then that makes them a troll?

What a load of excrement.  This digital extremism is quite shocking.

[Karlos]

Come on guys, let's not use the thread as an excuse to dredge up old conflicts.

[Tomas]

Say what?

That's some nice historical revisionism you have going there.

See the rest of us remember Mikey_C whining like a prissy bitch when Wayne refused to disallow MorphOS and AROS discussion on here. This in turn led to him taking the OS4 fanbois and other assorted ditto heads over to the newly created AW.net - the exodus.

Remind me again, how did that work out for you folks anyway?

Oh yes that's right, he aided in the commission of the single largest fraud this community has ever had perpetrated against it. Then he enacted yet another exodus to amigans.net when yet again those evil people with their own, non mikey approved viewpoints showed up and started asking some hard questions.

What the heck are you talking about?? I clearly said i want equal discussions of all platform, just not mindless fud or trolling. I disagree as much with Mikey_C opinionw on moderation as much as you. I think all Amiga/amiga like oses should be treated equally.

And again i have to make it clear that i have absolutely nothing against constructive critism or discussion. There are things i dont agree about in the OS4.x world as well even though it is my OS of choice at the moment.

Oh and i stay away from Amigans as well because i dont like the moderation there. So i clearly dont want this site to become like another amigans clone or how amigaworld was in the past.

[Boot_WB]

@Transition
Finally! This is something i have been waiting for. I have been avoiding this forum alot because some certain people here troll and flame certain "camps" no matter what.
I hope this will finally lead to all OS alternative being discussed without having to get see people spread fud and lies about my OS/platform of choice.
I am all ok for constructive criticism and discussion though.

+1
Nice post Tomas.

I especially liked that this could have come from a user of either MorphOS, AmigaOS 4.x, AROS, or 68K.

[Duce]

Keep this site the way it was when Wayne was in charge, that's all I ask.

Exactly.

[the_leander]

What the heck are you talking about?? I clearly said i want equal discussions of all platform, just not mindless fud or trolling.

What you said was that the reason for the OS4 fanboys leaving was due to trolling.

This is patently untrue. That is all.

You'll note I didn't comment on the rest of your post. There is a good reason for that - there was nothing in it that warranted comment that hadn't already been brought up. Likewise with your response, beyond this bit, there isn't anything needing to be discussed.

[Tomas]

What you said was that the reason for the OS4 fanboys leaving was due to trolling.

This is patently untrue. That is all.

You'll note I didn't comment on the rest of your post. There is a good reason for that - there was nothing in it that warranted comment that hadn't already been brought up. Likewise with your response, beyond this bit, there isn't anything needing to be discussed.

And there you go with name calling again. But anyways why does other members at amigaworld express that they feel the same way as me?? They used to be regulars at amiga.org, but started avoiding this forum more and more as the trolling developed.
Now most active users here are mainly either classic users, mos users and aros users.

And cant we please stop with the name calling? Why call someone a fanboy because they choose AmigaOS4.x over for example MOS?
Most OS4.x users dont have anything against the alternative. It is a few select fews that got problem with the alternatives just like how it is a few select few who keeps trolling every 4.x related threads on this forum.

[the_leander]

And there you go with name calling again.

And there you go trying to change the subject again. Damn it really must be chafing you to try to dodge again.

What makes you think given that it didn't work the first time, that it'd work this time?

Your claim regarding the reason the OS4 fanboys left is wrong and no amount of bawwwing about my use of the word fanboy is going to change that.

Still doesn't make your claim any more accurate though.

[desiv]

Nice..

Insults..
Digging up old threads which are unrelated to this discussion.
Hyperbole at it's finest...

I don't see why people think amiga.org might need more moderation.  ;-)

I look at it this way.

If you think there's enough of a possibility that your posting style might be considered trolling, then you might want to consider why that is??

And, for the record, I don't think that someone being correct is a "get out of jail free card" for trolling.  You can be smart and correct, and still a troll.

Can't we all just get along!!  

desiv

p.s.  The above statements are the poster's own and are not endorsed by management in any way.

[Tomas]

And there you go trying to change the subject again. Damn it really must be chafing you to try to dodge again.

What makes you think given that it didn't work the first time, that it'd work this time?

Your claim regarding the reason the OS4 fanboys left is wrong and no amount of bawwwing about my use of the word fanboy is going to change that.



Still doesn't make your claim any more accurate though.

Okay.. Show me that i am wrong then. And of course i am going to respond when you call people who use OS4.1 for a fanboy. Do you scream fanboys at people who use linux or windows as well? Why cant you respect that i choose OS4.x?

I have been active on this forum for a decade now and been a reguluar guest visitior since beginning as well. I have seen the changes with my own eyes, i have seen people who have expressed those very same views as me and seen how the OS4 users have slowly shifted more towards sites like amigaworld.

[Piru]

Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.

Who are these "some"? It would be fair to specify who you're accusing of trolling.

Surely you're able to name them considering you thought it was important enough to pick this thread as an example of bad behavior.

(I asked this once already, I bet you missed my first question)

[zylesea]

I like straight talk. Sometimes it may get harsh and rough. But in general you should not forget to keep a civilized behaviour. I understood transition's post not as an announcement of a politics change, but just a reminder about the terms of use.
Say what you wnat to say, but try to keep it civilized. Often discussions get hot and then one word gives the other - that should still be allowed, that is discussion culture.
And for the straight talk. I guess there are ppl who think the world becomes wonderfull lala-land when all ppl talk politically correct. But I guess the world becomes dumb and stupid then. The real world isn't a lala-land and that is good IMHO. Also I guess "political correctness" is differently popular is different countries. Personally I am not a fan of this, but rather prefer the "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" approach.
A discussion should contain facts, view points and a good share of emotion, but of course you should avoid to directly insult other ppl.  Moderation should take care that it doesn't get too personal and/or OT (look for example at the bunny, while I kind of like it I guess it's probably a bit too much for most ppl and definitely not always constructive (though there *are* good discussions)).

Keep it as it recently was and most ppl should be fine with that.

[klx300r]

@ piru

Surely you know how to use the search function if you so desperately want to find out ?