A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls

[klx300r]

@ piru

Surely you know how to use the search function if you so desperately want to find out ?

[Piru]

@ piru

Surely you know how to use the search function if you so desperately want to find out ?

I've read the threads of course. I didn't find the answer from them. Thus I have to ask Tomas directly.

It has to go both ways. If someone is being accused of trolling there has to be a way for the accused to defend oneself.

[Tomas]

Who are these "some"? It would be fair to specify who you're accusing of trolling.

Surely you're able to name them considering you thought it was important enough to pick this thread as an example of bad behavior.

(I asked this once already, I bet you missed my first question)

I dont think that would be a wise idea when i am got attacked for using that thread as example in first place.
I dont have a photographic memory, dont feel like going so low to mention any names and dont feel like digging for such threads.
It was just one simple example out of many.

Again i wonder why we cant just put the past behind us and stop the damn namecalling.
I dont see why a person should be attacked for their choice of OS or fud and negativity being spread in nearly every single post about OS4.x.

[Tomas]

I've read the threads of course. I didn't find the answer from them. Thus I have to ask Tomas directly.

It has to go both ways. If someone is being accused of trolling there has to be a way for the accused to defend oneself.

I am not accusing any individuals about anything. I just provided a example of what i define as trolling.
It wasnt just one individual either...

[Piru]

Again i wonder why we cant just put the past behind us

It was you who brought those threads up. So I wonder, why did you?

I don't see any blatant trolling in those threads. Neither can I see anyone calling Trevor evil.

If you throw such accusations in the air you better be prepared to back them up with facts. If you don't you could be accused of trolling.

[the_leander]

Okay.. Show me that i am wrong then.

I believe you have that backwards - show us where we're right.

You forget, just as you were here from the beginning, so too were we.

Do you scream fanboys at people who use linux or windows as well? Why cant you respect that i choose OS4.x?

Scream? lulz.

Lets see, on occasion, depending on the situation, yes I'll call fanboy, regardless of the hardware or OS being evangelised. I don't care that you use OS4 any more than I care about Piru using MorphOS or runequester linux or arkhan use windows. So long as it works for you fantastic. I'm not however going to give you special consideration based on your choice of OS.

I have been active on this forum for a decade now and been a reguluar guest visitior since beginning as well. I have seen the changes with my own eyes, i have seen people who have expressed those very same views as me and seen how the OS4 users have slowly shifted more towards sites like amigaworld.

As have I. And I watched whilst both the red and blue camp ripped each other to pieces during 03-04. I watched Mikey_C lead the exodus to AW when Wayne refused to silence the other side. The blues moved more toward Morphzone leaving this place to be a more or less neutral territory mainly catering for classic and AROS. With the worst offenders from both sides in their respective sites gone this place actually prospered.

[Piru]

I just provided a example of what i define as trolling.

Could you elaborate your definition of trolling a bit? What in those threads was trolling? Who claimed Trevor to be evil?

If such threads are trolling and this website is going to ban the trolls then certainly we need to know.

[Amiga_Nut]

I'll bite.

Is MorphOS a great project, too?
Do you believe AROS is not Amiga as such?

So you consider the Apple stigma to prevail even if the original company no longer gets any profit from the sales?


Call me a realist but that's just not going to happen. Commodore designers had it easy in comparison to has to be done today. HW designers do remarkable things today, you can't even remotely compare it with VIC-II/SID or Paula/Agnus/Denise stuff.

Yes MOS IS a great project, I am glad all three OS choice exist and hope all continue to flourish with further development. The worst thing that happened to the computing world is we went from Acorn/Atari/Commodore/Apple/PC compatibles to today.

Apple hardware -OS and BIOS/bootstrap = PPC generic hardware....give me a boing ball sticker to cover that Apple logo and it's fine most of the time. I don't like Apple mice or keyboards but they're easy enough to change on USB machines thankfully so OS4 ported to fast PPC Macs is fine with me still. My comment about iPad and iPhone's lack of ability to use flash based sites/technology was more to show they do have quite moronic moments...web enabled devices that can't access flash sites...what were they thinking

My point was more about taking what exists ie Xenon PPC compatible CPU + ATI GPU + 400mhz SDRAM and an engineer creating the logic to assemble a motherboard for it. I too do not ever envisage a small company doing what IBM do on a yearly basis for the console manufacturers (making a better price/performance CPU for their customers). I know that you won't make a better CPU than IBM or a better GPU than ATI/Nvidia in your garage but that doesn't mean you have to purchase hugely redundant and expensive tech based on G5s as in the case of x1000s. Little bit of savvy and talent in engineering can go a long way, the pieces of the puzzle are their for a fantastic new OS4 machine if someone really tries, and at less than 1/2 price of your average* PC

(ie not the bargain bucket cheap crap netbooks/laptops/towers with Intel GMA graphics hardwired on motherboard that can't even run games from 2001 with Transform and Lighting missing from the GPU)

[the_leander]

Amiga_Nut

I'd just like to say thankyou.

Not for the content of the post, but the fact that it was so far away from where this discussion was heading.

I can't honestly see this going anywhere at this point beyond further south.

Not that I could see much good coming of it to begin with but that's beside the point.

I think perhaps, for everyone involved, it might be a good idea to lock this thread. Either way I'm out of here.

[Akiko]

@Transition

Thank you for making your intentions clear to clean up this site, I hope now that some certain individuals
will think twice before hijacking OS4 related threads again, indeed that goes for any of the other platforms.

[Tomas]

@the_leander
This is the last post from you that i will bother to respond to. I dont want to waste more time on people who act so childish.

I believe you have that backwards - show us where we're right.

You forget, just as you were here from the beginning, so too were we.

Huh? How can i prove something like that? I just stated my own observations and what other OS4 users have expressed earlier.
But i guess you are suggesting i am lying now?
Can you explain why there are so few OS4.x users here and why most hang out in amigaworld or at amigans these days?

Lets see, on occasion, depending on the situation, yes I'll call fanboy, regardless of the hardware or OS being evangelised. I don't care that you use OS4 any more than I care about Piru using MorphOS or runequester linux or arkhan use windows. So long as it works for you fantastic. I'm not however going to give you special consideration based on your choice of OS.

But yet you pretty much called me and other OS4 users a fanboy without even considering that alot of us might also be interested in alternative oses and even use other platforms as main system.
I myself have been looking recently for a mac system so that i can also run MOS, i have a linux box, a windows laptop, mac ibook, classic amiga systems and a sam running 4.1. How can i be a OS4 fanboy when i even trying to get hold of a MOS system?
Yes, there are fanboys in every "camp", but those are few in minority.
And i never asked for any special consideration. All i want is the baseless trolling to stop as it drives away people from this site. I am not sure which "camp" you are in, but would you like it if every thread about your platorm was filled with baseless negativity and fud from people who have not even used said OS?
There is huge difference between constructive criticism and people filling every thread with fud.

As have I. And I watched whilst both the red and blue camp ripped each other to pieces during 03-04. I watched Mikey_C lead the exodus to AW when Wayne refused to silence the other side. The blues moved more toward Morphzone leaving this place to be a more or less neutral territory mainly catering for classic and AROS. With the worst offenders from both sides in their respective sites gone this place actually prospered.

Why do you consantly keep bringing up the past and Mikey_C? Is it not time to leave the past behind us like most mature users have already done? It is people like you that are the reason why there is still conflicts in this community.

[Karlos]

Ok, I have the acid test for those that aren't sure what constitutes trolling. Read on!

If you are posting purely to solicit this reaction:



you are probably trolling and should stop.

[Tomas]

It was you who brought those threads up. So I wonder, why did you?

I don't see any blatant trolling in those threads. Neither can I see anyone calling Trevor evil.

If you throw such accusations in the air you better be prepared to back them up with facts. If you don't you could be accused of trolling.

Did you not read my reply?? I provided an example on what i think is going over the line, so that you could see what i meant by trolling. I would not have had a problem if a person said that the keyboard was maybe a bit too price for him/her or that he/she did not like design.
I do however have a problem when people accuse people like trevor for using this keyboard as a way to ripoff OS4.x "fanboys"

You must be really blind if you dont think that it would be trolling to suggest that Trevor is ripping off people on purpose.

I was warned to not bring up such stuff in this thread, so it would not be a good idea to dig up those examples.

[Piru]

@the_leander

It is people like you that are the reason why there is still conflicts in this community.

Ouch.

[the_leander]

Why do you consantly keep bringing up the past and Mikey_C? Is it not time to leave the past behind us like most mature users have already done?

We'll leave the past alone when you stop trying to re-write it with your unproven claims.

It is people like you that are the reason why there is still conflicts in this community.

You keep telling yourself that.

[Karlos]

You lot seem determined to make me lock this thread :-/