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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #74 from previous page: October 24, 2010, 02:30:41 PM »
Look, let's not lose sight of the main issue here. That being, you all have to do as I say.

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2010, 02:33:46 PM »
Quote from: Cammy;586682
if you'll look back through my entire history of posts on this and other Amiga forums you'll see that one post where I got a little too personal is the exception


I don't have to look back through your post history - I've seen your name crop up often enough with helpful suggestions on threads about software issues to know that.

Quote from: Cammy;586682

If you have a problem with me personally


I don't know you nearly well enough to have a problem with you. Tbh I think this is actually the first time I've ever spoken with you... I might be wrong.

Quote from: Cammy;586682
I don't think you'll succeed in turning my friends against me by persisting the way you are here.


You credit me with a plan of action that wouldn't in a million years occur to me.

Honestly, I'm not that smart, or devious. If you haven't guessed by my posting style, I'm not a particularly subtle creature. If I genuinely had a problem with you, I'd tell you straight up.

Machiavelli I ain't.

If you say that I've somehow misinterpreted what I read on that thread - fair enough. I'll go with that and I formally retract my previous comment.

As a side note: I've been in the same IRC chan as you for the past two hours. ;)
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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2010, 02:35:20 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;586688
Look, let's not lose sight of the main issue here. That being, you all have to do as I say.

/me runs away :D


Well, that's torn it

All hail the king!

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2010, 02:37:22 PM »
Quote from: Piru;586578

If the posting guidelines are broken, moderate the comments.


If it is done repeatedly ... why not delete the account? I don´t think trolls have a special right to post. A german news site has a particular useful feature: you can set ignore lists for people of whom you don´t want to read comments from. The rest of the forum remains visible. That´s peace of mind.
 

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2010, 02:39:16 PM »
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If it is done repeatedly ... why not delete the account? I don´t think trolls have a special right to post. A german news site has a particular useful feature: you can set ignore lists for people of whom you don´t want to read comments from. The rest of the forum remains visible. That´s peace of mind.


You do know that this place has an ignore feature, right?
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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2010, 02:43:50 PM »
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This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion:


Original-Poster: This is a new Amiga related project I am working on. It has feature X and it can also do feature Y.

Positive-person: Great work! I'm glad you have taken the time to start this project which is something that various Amiga users may find a use for and enjoy!

Not-a-troll: Looks okay, can you add feature Z as well?

Another-non-troll: Have you considered compiling it for my Amiga-like OS of choice? I would use it if you do. Keep up the good work!

Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?

Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.

Troll-Feeder: Where can I download the iPhone version from?



The trolls are pretty consistent, they will continue to post cheeky or cruel remarks at any chance they get. They prefer to start a fight and back out of it while others join in and continue it, or take a stab when they feel there's no chance of retaliation. I have no problem with cowards like this being removed from the forum.

I'm sure the moderators don't regard passionate, opinionated Amiga users who like to debate about their favorite platform as trolls. I think a lot of people are getting upset about something that's not going to affect them in any negative way, and in fact it could be just what we need to get more Amiga-related discussion happening on this site. I know for a fact, from chatting to hundreds of Amiga users around the world on IRC, MSN and through forum private messages, that there are many people who would post a lot more often about Amiga-related projects and ideas if they weren't afraid of having their thread derailed by someone whose only intent is to crush their spirit and stop them from wanting to go any further with their idea.

Well, then why can't you be an adult and just ignore the trolls instead of coming up with ambiguous reasons to just ban people?  Are the people on this forum really so immature and intellectually feeble as to need a censor to remove comments that they might not like?  Wait, don't answer that question.  I'm beginning to see a trend here.
 

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2010, 02:45:13 PM »
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Well, that's torn it

All hail the king!

 :D


Was thinking more like this:



Respect me, respect the family...:lol:
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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2010, 02:46:23 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;586695
Was thinking more like this:



Respect me, respect the family...:lol:


:rofl:

So, you've found your next avatar then eh? ;)
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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2010, 03:10:01 PM »
I fail to see the point of this thread, if the moderation policy of this site is changing than a change to the T&C is in order and a news item to point this out to regulars that probably haven't read them for years. If the policy isn't changing than WTF is this thread about?

On a side note it interesting to see several of the aw regulars pop up on this thread, we all know how they feel about moderation and where it will lead if unchallenged.

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2010, 03:21:47 PM »
@Transition

-1

I quite like amiga.org and the current moderation here, don't ruin it.
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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #84 on: October 24, 2010, 03:42:25 PM »
Quote from: Tension;586683
So basically if i criticise anything amiga-related i must be a troll?


Asked and answered.  The point is not that if you have anything anti-Amiga to say you cannot say it -- at least, that is my interpretation.  The point has been elegantly demonstrated already: there are a number of posters who not only do not have positive things to say about Amiga-related subjects, but flame the shyt out of threads with vitriolic negativity.  Constructive criticism is a good thing, IMHO, but not the constant "your an idiot for developing anything on a dead platform," and such ilk.  It really seems like some people have nothing better to do than to spew garbage into otherwise good threads.

Personally, I am not in favor of wielding the ban hammer against those who troll, nor mega-moderating their posts.  People have opinions and that is a Good Thing(tm).  I think the distinction is whether those opinions are relevant to the thread in terms of providing something constructive, whether in support or criticism of.  I feel the community can moderate itself to a large extent by simply ignoring asshole-ish posts which contribute nothing.

Either way, it seems Amiga.org could start heading the way of extinction.  Either by being overrun with trolls and feeders, or by being aggressively moderated to the point of uselessness as debate is quelled due to fear of reprisal.  Neither of these is a pleasant option.
 

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #85 on: October 24, 2010, 03:43:48 PM »
LOL. You can have any color suite you like sir, as long as it's gray.

Moderation is always, inherently entangled in a slippery slope toward censorship. And that's way you have to stay away from it. And no one person communicates in categorical way, where some litmus test can be applied.

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #86 on: October 24, 2010, 04:14:28 PM »
It is a pitty. I enjoy heated discussions, reading, and being a part of them.
Common sense depends on the eye of the beholder, and the same goes to the interpretation and missinterpretation of trolling.

In this moments of genuine threats to freedom of expression (you can call them whatever you please), is that I remember how I really miss that guy called Wayne, and that Amiga online forum he had.
 

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #87 on: October 24, 2010, 05:14:30 PM »
@Transition
Finally! This is something i have been waiting for. I have been avoiding this forum alot because some certain people here troll and flame certain "camps" no matter what.
I hope this will finally lead to all OS alternative being discussed without having to get see people spread fud and lies about my OS/platform of choice.
I am all ok for constructive criticism and discussion though.
 

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #88 on: October 24, 2010, 05:19:53 PM »
Quote from: Cammy;586607
This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion:


Original-Poster: This is a new Amiga related project I am working on. It has feature X and it can also do feature Y.

Positive-person: Great work! I'm glad you have taken the time to start this project which is something that various Amiga users may find a use for and enjoy!

Not-a-troll: Looks okay, can you add feature Z as well?

Another-non-troll: Have you considered compiling it for my Amiga-like OS of choice? I would use it if you do. Keep up the good work!

Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?

Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.

Troll-Feeder: Where can I download the iPhone version from?



The trolls are pretty consistent, they will continue to post cheeky or cruel remarks at any chance they get. They prefer to start a fight and back out of it while others join in and continue it, or take a stab when they feel there's no chance of retaliation. I have no problem with cowards like this being removed from the forum.

I'm sure the moderators don't regard passionate, opinionated Amiga users who like to debate about their favorite platform as trolls. I think a lot of people are getting upset about something that's not going to affect them in any negative way, and in fact it could be just what we need to get more Amiga-related discussion happening on this site. I know for a fact, from chatting to hundreds of Amiga users around the world on IRC, MSN and through forum private messages, that there are many people who would post a lot more often about Amiga-related projects and ideas if they weren't afraid of having their thread derailed by someone whose only intent is to crush their spirit and stop them from wanting to go any further with their idea.

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Re: A cautionary warning note for anti Amiga, AROS & MorphOS trolls
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2010, 05:22:56 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;586714
It is a pitty. I enjoy heated discussions, reading, and being a part of them.
Common sense depends on the eye of the beholder, and the same goes to the interpretation and missinterpretation of trolling.

In this moments of genuine threats to freedom of expression (you can call them whatever you please), is that I remember how I really miss that guy called Wayne, and that Amiga online forum he had.
Who said that constructive discussions arent allowed??
It is clearly some people here who enjoy trolling as it is the same names showing up in every thread. Take for example when X1000+ custom mouse/keyboard was first showed. Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.

And it is no longer a real discussion anymore when the trolls here have driven away nearly every OS4.x user to other sites.
I think this change in moderation will lead to more users coming back which will be good for all our OS alternatives.
We should just work more together instead of fighting. I myself would not mind owning a MOS box either and have nothing against either people who choose aros, mos, classic or whatever over 4.x.
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