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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #284 from previous page: October 04, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »
I'm very picky about input devices, so the classic keyboard+computer form factor is kind of a turn off at this point.  When I find a keyboard, mouse or joystick I like, I refuse to use anything else.
Besides keyboards can get dirty and worn out, and I'd rather not have to order special key modules and have to open up my computer just because the keyboard needs to be replaced.
The only type of AIO form factor that I like nowadays is the display+computer style, like the iMac for example.  Display technology is now cheap enough and is changing fast enough that I want a new monitor as often as I want a new computer.
Years ago, I wouldn't dream of ditching my awesome CRT when upgrading my computer, but now that everything is cheap and light flat panel technology, I don't really care.
The LCD I have today is going to look like outdated trash next to the LED backlit, high contrast ratio, fast response time, quad HD display that I'll be able to get for half the price two years from now, and that display will be obsolete once AMOLED screens break the consumer price barrier.

Oh yeah, on topic, I don't think I'll be getting an X1000.  It's just out of my price range and I don't have any reverance for the brand name any more.  I'm a classic Amiga fan and a gamer, so I'll stick with my A500 and keep my eye on the minimigAGA and natami projects.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #285 on: October 05, 2010, 01:01:47 AM »
Off topic here, but that's the current Natami board? It's tiny!

I don't think PPC systems and the Natami really compete with one another. I love to have a new 68K system, but its not going to be my main computer.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #286 on: October 05, 2010, 01:07:59 AM »
Unless the X1000 comes with an Adobe style non-linear video editor, no. Waaaay too expensive.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #287 on: October 05, 2010, 02:35:16 AM »
Do you seriously think that there will be users coming back to the Amiga platform?  We are all there is and all there likely will be, whatever we do in the Amiga world we need to do for ourselves, not some mythical entry by troops...

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I guess this thread is as offtopic as it gets now. Or are you seriously comparing Natami to the X1000? Do you think there will be users coming back to the Amiga platform, because there is an 68060-class board on the market?

While I think Natami is great. I am sure it caters to a much different audience.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #288 on: October 05, 2010, 02:58:56 AM »
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Personally, I despise non stand form factors. I'm a chronic tinkerer and if I can't alter it I don't want it.


Thing is, you're a dying breed, unfortunately.

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But an all in one system? What if the keyboard goes bad?



Err, by all in one, I was talking iMac or similar - where the computer is built into the screen, not the keyboard. So in the case of "what if the keyboard goes bad", the answer is "buy a new one".

Having the computer built into the keyboard might be kinda cool and quirky in the retro sense, but it is a form factor that comes with too many compromises, even against iMac style systems.

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What about the other parts? I may have a choice of hard drives and the amount of installed memory, but everything else is built in.
So, no choice of video or sound cards. No expansion bus to add accessory cards.
Basically, once its obsolete I throw it  out.


Unless you're a gamer, or someone who has a specific need for a particular addon card, or in your case, a tinkerer, there really isn't the need for a honking great tower system, the vast majority of computers sold to consumers come with integrated everything and never get upgraded anyway, hell a good few of them will get dumped simply because of virus infestation rather than anything being wrong with the hardware...


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That might work for business. They rarely upgrade rather then replace.
An all in one computer doesn't suit me and never will.


You != Average computer user.


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Micro ATX is beginning to make sense as many of the components that had to be added by cards are now commonly integrated into motherboards.


The vast majority of systems sold in towers these days are MATX. They're cheap to produce, offer good enough graphics and sound, but again, unless the owner is like you or has specific need for a specific addon card or is a gamer, chances are that board will never, ever see an upgrade. Then again if you're a gamer chances are you're not going to be buying an entry level system which make up the majority of all PC sales.

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But I really don't believe that the keyboard computer will ever dominate.


It won't, but all in ones of the type the rest of us are talking about - IE where it's built into the screen - the so called "lifestyle PC" probably will.

The netbook market has pretty much dried up as the emphasis on small cheap computers has moved to price ranges above entry level laptops, at which point it gets harder to justify the costs.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #289 on: October 05, 2010, 04:02:34 AM »
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Off topic here, but that's the current Natami board? It's tiny!


Yes, and the production board will not have the 68060 but an fpga cpu.

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I don't think PPC systems and the Natami really compete with one another. I love to have a new 68K system, but its not going to be my main computer.


The Natami should be competitive with the low end PPC in the SAM. The clock speed is about 1/3 but CISC does more with less while having similar memory bandwidth and more helper processors with no slow buss to go through. I think the code will be more efficient too. The high end PPC (except IBM Power processors) is not getting faster very fast at all. On the other hand, fpgas are getting cheap fast allowing the performance to grow. It's price to performance ratio that will likely win the battle in the end. The x1000 sounds like the nicest most powerful PPC system yet but I think the price to performance is too far off to be successful.
 

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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #290 on: October 05, 2010, 05:30:33 AM »
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Do you seriously think that there will be users coming back to the Amiga platform?  We are all there is and all there likely will be, whatever we do in the Amiga world we need to do for ourselves, not some mythical entry by troops...


I have come back myself. I haven´t done anything on Amigas between 1995 and 2008. Then I tried AROS - got dissapointed there and invested in SAM.
I am not talking about troops, but maybe one or two old veterans. It is the individual that counts.

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Unless the X1000 comes with an Adobe style non-linear video editor, no.


There is a video editor in Blender. I haven´t really done anything with it, but it looked rather promising. I got the impression that it was even workable on my SAMs 800MHz CPU, so it should fly on an X1000.
 

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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #291 on: October 05, 2010, 06:21:31 AM »
No. Cannot be used for anything useful in the real world and lacks any retro value that an old real Amiga might have.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #292 on: October 05, 2010, 08:43:59 AM »
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No. Cannot be used for anything useful in the real world and lacks any retro value that an old real Amiga might have.


Eh ?

"anything useful" is pretty broad. 99% of the crap normal people use computers for can be done on a far more modest machine than what the hardcore geeks think it "needed"
 

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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #293 on: October 05, 2010, 09:30:46 AM »
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I am not talking about troops, but maybe one or two old veterans. It is the individual that counts.


Thing is, that's all you're going to really get, one or two people more.

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There is a video editor in Blender. I haven´t really done anything with it, but it looked rather promising. I got the impression that it was even workable on my SAMs 800MHz CPU, so it should fly on an X1000.


Blender is a 3d rendering package, iirc the editor within it is suited solely for setting up scenes within the 3d environment. It's not a video editor in the sense that avidmux or cinerella or windows movie editor is.

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Eh ?

"anything useful" is pretty broad. 99% of the crap normal people use computers for can be done on a far more modest machine than what the hardcore geeks think it "needed"


The X1000/SAM doesn't even offer that though. Not because of hardware limitations, but because there simply isn't the software.

Couple that with the fact that a huge chunk of the Amiga's back catalogue is only available through UAE and you're left with the question "why the hell did I pay $2-3k for something that could be outdone by a machine costing a 5th of that?"
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #294 on: October 05, 2010, 02:05:43 PM »
Unless someone comes up with a killer app on the X1000 that is not available on the PC, I will definitely not buy one. I have plenty of classics to play with just to get my old time fix.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #295 on: October 05, 2010, 05:23:46 PM »
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Do you seriously think that there will be users coming back to the Amiga platform? We are all there is and all there likely will be, whatever we do in the Amiga world we need to do for ourselves, not some mythical entry by troops...

Yeah if either X1000 or Natami picks up, then it will be a change from your everyday PC / Mac.
 
My bet is on Natami, X1000 is just way too overpriced.
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #296 on: October 05, 2010, 05:39:44 PM »
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The X1000/SAM doesn't even offer that though. Not because of hardware limitations, but because there simply isn't the software.

Couple that with the fact that a huge chunk of the Amiga's back catalogue is only available through UAE and you're left with the question "why the hell did I pay $2-3k for something that could be outdone by a machine costing a 5th of that?"

Yeah, the app limitations is the thing that is crushing the "next gen" amiga options.
 

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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #297 on: October 05, 2010, 05:46:31 PM »
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Yeah, the app limitations is the thing that is crushing the "next gen" amiga options.


Indeed. Although the hardware options themselves aren't all that attractive even from the context of running Linux on them.

But both poor software support and overpriced hardware... Yeah that'll go down well in the wider market...
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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #298 on: October 05, 2010, 05:56:28 PM »
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Indeed. Although the hardware options themselves aren't all that attractive even from the context of running Linux on them.

But both poor software support and overpriced hardware... Yeah that'll go down well in the wider market...


I still think the Pegasos ones seem to have been the best bet for a "modern amiga".

As far as I can tell, they weren't monster expensive. Of course things hadn't moved as far either at that point.


These days, I think we're safely in "hobby only" territory.
 

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Re: Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?
« Reply #299 on: October 05, 2010, 06:04:27 PM »
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I still think the Pegasos ones seem to have been the best bet for a "modern amiga".

As far as I can tell, they weren't monster expensive. Of course things hadn't moved as far either at that point.


Tbh Peg2 was a much better all round system. It didn't have the issues that came with the Articia S chipset. It was also fairly inexpensive.

But Peg 1 and 2 were both cheaper than the AmigaOne. Peg2 was, iirc cheaper than the Sam as well.

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These days, I think we're safely in "hobby only" territory.


It's a shame apparently so few people in the community realise this. :(
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