Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[ajlwalker]

Hm right. Sorry about that, missed it somehow.

No need to apologise.  You did make some good points about software, which I guess I didn't think about in depth.

[Piru]

I agree it is sensible to port to what hardware is available, but what do you do in the future? Where next for MorphOS for example?

Short term Power Macs and Mac laptops.

Will you be porting to PS3 or XBOX360? What other mass produced PPC hardware is out there after the end of PPC Macs?

It remains to be seen. Maybe something will come along or maybe not. One possibility is to migrate to other mainstream platforms. At least we're not financially ruined for spending hundreds of thousands of euros trying to build custom PowerPC HW, nor have we spent the crucial development resources on yet another miniscule platform.

[Piru]

And why the PC has become so cheap now?

Due to circumstances that cannot be repeated in today's world. The market is way too saturated these days for any new small player to bring anything really new and revolutionary to to playground. Even if you tried you'd be ground to dust in seconds by the large megacorporations, or just bought out and the good parts being incorporated in their own products.

The best you can do is to try concentrate on the software and run in on someone else's HW. You can build a reasonable niche there, still.

[ajlwalker]

Short term Power Macs and Mac laptops.

It remains to be seen. Maybe something will come along or maybe not. One possibility is to migrate to other mainstream platforms. At least we're not financially ruined for spending hundreds of thousands of euros trying to build custom PowerPC HW, nor have we spent the crucial development resources on yet another miniscule platform.

Yes, I can definitely see the advantages of your approach.

If the X1000 does manage to built some momentum and shift a couple of thousand units, I wonder if you'd consider a port of MorphOS to it?

I am a "maybe" on the X1000, but if I do pick one up, I'd like the opportunity to try MorphOS on it too, and Trevor has stated he has no objections.

[persia]

@Franko

But again, not everyone buys your narrow definition of what an Amiga is.  UAE is a marvellous way of maintaining an Amiga without having to deal with all the problems of 15 to 20 year old hardware.  It's also capable of running an order of magnitude or more faster than any physical Amiga every made.  There's never been a Steve Jobs to carry the vision forward.  Throughout it's history it's been dragged through scandal, scam and dirty dealing in a manner that more resembles a soap opera than a computer history.

We live in 2010, almost 2011.  It's fair to compare anything that we see that may carry the name Amiga in all or part of it's name to things that we can buy in 2010/11.  I can go out, plunk down US$200 and get a 10 inch Android tablet that will emulate a Classic Amiga beautifully and has more power than a SAM.

I came into the Amiga 25 years ago because it was better than anything on the market and price comparable to MS Windows clones.  It was cutting edge, bleeding edge really.  That bleeding edge is no longer possible in the Amiga world, and likely never will be, so the only way to unify the desire for an Amiga and the desire to be on the bleeding edge is to run UAE on a high end Mac or PC....

[Franko]

amiga.org is free for all, and I think you should really consult the "Site Information and Policies" link at the bottom of the page if you still don't get it. These forums are meant for discussion. If you don't like it, you can always leave and find some other forums that will ban free speech.

If you don't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

orb85750:
I respect what they're doing with this machine, but I won't be buying one because I don't have that type of discretionary income. Who seriously plans to buy one soon after it's available? Anyone here?

It was not entitled what are Piru's biased views on everything else but this question...

Just expressing my own biased views on this 'free for all' and as yet 'free speech' site...

and to answer the question once again... maybe...

[runequester]

I think AROS is the only real way forward, but I do have a keen interest in OS4.
In the end, I dont have the cash to splurge on it, but if I did, I'd probably get one.

[Piru]

If the X1000 does manage to built some momentum and shift a couple of thousand units, I wonder if you'd consider a port of MorphOS to it?

No. Mostly because the platform is so obscure it would require tons of resources to get things running. The modern PPC Macs are quite similar to each other which makes things a lot easier.

Secondly most will have gotten the system for specific reason: To run OS4. Not many would be willing to pay over 100 eur for another OS.

Thirdly: Ben Hermans. You can't expect MorphOS developers to get involved with anything even remotely related to this person.

[Piru]

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

Well, if it still is unclear to anyone: No, I am not buying one of these things.

Besides I already have a dual 2.5GHz G5 system to play with. I paid 300 eur for it.

[runequester]

Well, if it still is unclear to anyone: No, I am not buying one of these things.

Besides I already have a dual 2.5GHz G5 system to play with. I paid 300 eur for it.

I dont think anyone who has ever read any OS4 related thread on this forum was in any doubt mate

[dammy]

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

It was not entitled what are Piru's biased views on everything else but this question...

From the responses so far, he has his answer, very very few on AO are planning to buy a A1X1K.  No matter how much spin/hype or sunshine being blown where the sun don't shine is going to change the fact it's over priced and underwhelming capabilities.  If the A1X1K is ever released to the public, I fully expect to see within 12 months smartphones with better benchmarks then the A1X1K.  

We need today's and tomorrow's solutions now, not solutions from the 1990s.

[divined]

I myself haven`t invested yet in anything else than classic Amiga hardware. I have my old A500 and an beefed up A1200. So I`m craving for some new hardware to try Amiga OS on.

  I could go the other way and buy myself a PowerMAC to run MorphOS on. But isn`t even that hardware getting itself old??

  On the other hand AROS is nice. Nonetheless, I haven`t managed to run it without major problems on any of MY x86 systems I tested it on. So it`s not ready for prime time!!
 
  So the dilemma is between an X1000 and a SAM 460. Which one I`ll buy? I would prefer the X1000, so my answer to this question is yes, finances sufficing!!

[runequester]

From the responses so far, he has his answer, very very few on AO are planning to buy a A1X1K.  No matter how much spin/hype or sunshine being blown where the sun don't shine is going to change the fact it's over priced and underwhelming capabilities.  If the A1X1K is ever released to the public, I fully expect to see within 12 months smartphones with better benchmarks then the A1X1K.  

We need today's and tomorrow's solutions now, not solutions from the 1990s.

There are no solutions and there likely wont ever be.

Every breed of it, morph, os4 and aros are playing catch up perpetually and they will never be able to match the amount of money, weight or mass thrown behind windows, linux and os x.

"amiga" is a hobby that occasionally strays into the realm of general computer use and I can't foresee anything changing that.

[Tripitaka]

I must say that the continued comparisons between Amiga and PC/Mac hardware based upon GHz and such like are not at all helpfull. I'm not going to try and convince anyone that a 700MHz PPC can out perform a 6 core super beast PC when raytracing and such but the clue is in the wording, PERFORM! It's not numbers of cycles that matter, it's how fast and well a computer gets the job done. If the job in question is picking up a few emails and the process is that of turning on the machine, collecting mail and turning it off again then one could argue that a SAM out performs many modern PCs as the job may well be complete on the SAM by the time the PC boots. Even on x86 based machines some tasks are no quicker now then fifteen years ago with a 486. It all depends on what you use the machine for, if 99% of that time is typing then the big speed up comes from improving the speed you type at does it not. This is also abou what resources that are available, windows eats cycles for breakfast leaving less available power then the numbers may suggest. Take all this into account and we see that hardware comparisons are not, by a long shot, the whole story.
Please note I'm not having a dig at anyone here but it's a fair point that needed a mention.

[lsmart]

AmigaOS4 is somewhere around late 90s in those areas. Not even close to what can be expected by average user these days. Workbench is outdated as hell and file exploration with it is quite awful, setting up file shares is extremely painful, there's no flash, browser situation is quite bleak (maybe NetSurf will come to rescue, OWB for OS4 is dead, Timberwolf is useless for any real world usage for now). Email clients are very basic and crude. Preferences are incoherent mess.

Come on. This is not fair and not true. OWB is getting updated every 2 month or so. And Timberwolf will arrive before X1000 hits the shelves. Workbench is a great file manager and neither mac nor PC offer anything better. You might be ignoring that most people on Windows use a norton commander clone? And Preferences are OK if you ignore the skinning and MUI-crap. Windows preferences however have no structure left at all in win7. AmigaOS4 doesn´t look outdated to me and I have been a Mac user for years.

[ajlwalker]

I must say that the continued comparisons between Amiga and PC/Mac hardware based upon GHz and such like are not at all helpfull. I'm not going to try and convince anyone that a 700MHz PPC can out perform a 6 core super beast PC when raytracing and such but the clue is in the wording, PERFORM! It's not numbers of cycles that matter, it's how fast and well a computer gets the job done. If the job in question is picking up a few emails and the process is that of turning on the machine, collecting mail and turning it off again then one could argue that a SAM out performs many modern PCs as the job may well be complete on the SAM by the time the PC boots. Even on x86 based machines some tasks are no quicker now then fifteen years ago with a 486. It all depends on what you use the machine for, if 99% of that time is typing then the big speed up comes from improving the speed you type at does it not. This is also abou what resources that are available, windows eats cycles for breakfast leaving less available power then the numbers may suggest. Take all this into account and we see that hardware comparisons are not, by a long shot, the whole story.
Please note I'm not having a dig at anyone here but it's a fair point that needed a mention.

I agree with what you say tripitaka.

However, Piru will come along and ask why you shut your machine down every time anyway.  You can just use sleep/hibernate mode and it awakens in seconds.

Me, I'm old fashioned and do shut my windows boxes down every time, so what you describe is attractive to me, but it may not be attractive to others.