Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Franko]

When you have been using the Amiga right from the start just like I & many here have, you do have the tendency too look back and say what if & if only.

However that in no way means that I don't support anyone who tries to bring us new Amiga related products. You have to take each thing as it comes and judge it on it's own merits.

I've looked at all the products that have been released since the true Amiga died, I can only say none of them were for me. I'm just hoping that the X1000 will prove to be the one I'm after.

I don't understand why some folk keep going on about things being too expensive, if it's your main hobby and you what your doing brings you enjoyment, then surely the cost doesn't matter...

There is no point in saying Yes or No right now to the X1000 as it's best to wait and see just what it can actually do, if it ever does get released. That's why I said maybe earlier.  

[Piru]

Moana support only PPC mac? No way, it's deadlock. No more PPC mac hardware.

PPC Mac will be around for much longer than X1000 ever can. PPC Mac will have spare parts and repairs available for much longer than X1000 ever can.

It's just raw numbers. Millions of PPC Macs were sold. Even in the most optimistic scenarios X1000 will never be able to break a few thousand.

[Piru]

So Piru's answer is not even bother trying?

No, I mean there are better ways to do it rather than banging your head against the custom ppc hw wall.

piru replied: No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

Lacking in some big areas yes, but the OS looks fairly up to par in the most important of areas:

* Program Launcher
* File Exploration
* Networking between Macs and PCs
* Internet, FTP, Email
* Desktop and Gui preferences etc

You must be kidding. AmigaOS4 is somewhere around late 90s in those areas. Not even close to what can be expected by average user these days. Workbench is outdated as hell and file exploration with it is quite awful, setting up file shares is extremely painful, there's no flash, browser situation is quite bleak (maybe NetSurf will come to rescue, OWB for OS4 is dead, Timberwolf is useless for any real world usage for now). Email clients are very basic and crude. Preferences are incoherent mess.

[SamuraiCrow]

I'd rather have a NatAmi than an X1000.  The NatAmi will run more Amiga software than the X1000 ever will unless things have changed dramatically with the design of the X1000.  EUAE stinks on OS4 due to lack of a JIT.

If raw brute force is needed, I'll just write an Erlang to VHDL converter and bang the bare FPGA on the NatAmi.  I think that's not even an option on the X1000.

Popcorn anyone?  

[ajlwalker]

Another perspective on price.

In 1989 I along with my two brothers stumped up £360 for a basic A500 and no software.  I think the dealer felt sorry for us and threw in a copy of Photon Paint.

Using RPI that £360 would be £671 today.  And using UK national average earnings it would be £842 today.  If we did the same for a B2000, then I suspect that today's prices would be similar if not more than the X1000.

Now, I am happy to admit that the B2000 was ahead of the competition on ability and price, and the X1000 isn't, but for me it puts it in perspective.

Especially as I make about 50000% more per week than then.  And especially as the entire production run of the X1000 is probably less than a couple of hours production run of the A500 when I bought it.

[easy_john]

PPC Mac will be around for much longer than X1000 ever can. PPC Mac will have spare parts and repairs available for much longer than X1000 ever can.
It's just raw numbers. Millions of PPC Macs were sold. Even in the most optimistic scenarios X1000 will never be able to break a few thousand.

Mac PPC is an old hardware and it does not develop, even if ppc ia a lot. If you go to the mac PPC now, what to do in 2-3 years? begin to develop new x1000 will be even harder.
Amigaos need new hardware, which would be developed, albeit slowly. Transition to a mac is good in the short term and very bad in the future.

[Franko]

Gawd... It amazes me why some of the folk who post on this site are even here at all...

It's called Amiga.org, the name should give you a clue !!!

It's not called Mac.org, PC.org or AnythingButAmiga.org...

If you want to talk about such things then go to an appropriate site where you can happily express your biased views.

This site should be about the Amiga, not those pretend Amiga users who only run an emulator, who want to harp on about macs & pc's and like nothing more than trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of...

Get A life... :rolleyes:

[Piru]

@ajlwalker
In 1989 you got the state of the art system with ton of useful software and games that was no-where to be found on other platforms. The HW was revolutionary and unique, as well as the operating system (for personal computers). The whole setup performed really well against the system of the time, too.

This isn't the case with X1000. X1000 was already ageing technology when it was planned. There are no software titles or games that would justify it either.

Even if you forget all that the PC systems were even more expensive back in 1989. In 2011 you can get probably at least 4-8 better performing PCs with the price (depending on how DYI you'll go).

[Piru]

Mac PPC is an old hardware and it does not develop, even if ppc ia a lot. If you go to the mac PPC now, what to do in 2-3 years?

I'll still run my favorite amigoid OS on the PowerBook 1.67GHz laptop and multi-GHz Power Mac G5. Why?

Amigaos need new hardware, which would be developed, albeit slowly. Transition to a mac is good in the short term and very bad in the future.

I don't agree. The volumes are so small that it makes no sense whatsoever to try to make your own custom HW. What you need to do is to port your OS to whatever suitable PowerPC hardware there is. There is no way that AmigaOS alone can drive dekstop PowerPC further.

[ajlwalker]

@ajlwalker
You're forgetting that the 1989 A500/A2000 and the 2011 X1000 are not equal in terms of what you get for your money.

In 1989 you got the state of the art system with ton of useful software and games that was no-where to be found on other platforms. The HW was revolutionary and unique, as well as the operating system (for personal computers). The whole setup performed really well against the system of the time, too.

This isn't the case with X1000. X1000 was already ageing technology when it was planned. There are no software titles or games that would justify it either.

Even if you forget all that the PC systems were even more expensive back in 1989. In 2011 you can get probably at least 4-8 better performing PCs with the price (depending on how DYI you'll go).

No Piru, I don't think I'm forgetting any of that, especially when I said:

"Now, I am happy to admit that the B2000 was ahead of the competition on ability and price, and the X1000 isn't......."

[Piru]

Gawd... It amazes me why some of the folk who post on this site are even here at all...

It's called Amiga.org, the name should give you a clue !!!

It's not called Mac.org, PC.org or AnythingButAmiga.org...

If you want to talk about such things then go to an appropriate site where you can happily express your biased views.

This site should be about the Amiga, not those pretend Amiga users who only run an emulator, who want to harp on about macs & pc's and like nothing more than trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of...

Get A life... :rolleyes:

amiga.org is free for all, and I think you should really consult the "Site Information and Policies" link at the bottom of the page if you still don't get it. These forums are meant for discussion. If you don't like it, you can always leave and find some other forums that will ban free speech.

If you don't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

As for "trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of", I really don't understand what you're talking about.

[Piru]

No Piru, I don't think I'm forgetting any of that, especially when I said:

"Now, I am happy to admit that the B2000 was ahead of the competition on ability and price, and the X1000 isn't......."

Hm right. Sorry about that, missed it somehow.

[ajlwalker]

I'll still run my favorite amigoid OS on the PowerBook 1.67GHz laptop and multi-GHz Power Mac G5. Why?

I don't agree. The volumes are so small that it makes no sense whatsoever to try to make your own custom HW. What you need to do is to port your OS to whatever suitable PowerPC hardware there is. There is no way that AmigaOS alone can drive dekstop PowerPC further.

I agree it is sensible to port to what hardware is available, but what do you do in the future?  Where next for MorphOS for example?  Will you be porting to PS3 or XBOX360?  What other mass produced PPC hardware is out there after the end of PPC Macs?

At the same time, I can see easy_john's point of view.  I'm fortunate I can afford to buy an X1000 and for me the price will be worth it for the novelty value.  That A500 was the last brand new Amiga I owned.  My A1200 was 2nd hand and my A600 was rescued from a skip.  I haven't used NG Amiga, and I am curious.

For all I use computers for, it will be entirely adequate for me.

[easy_john]

Even if you forget all that the PC systems were even more expensive back in 1989. In 2011 you can get probably at least 4-8 better performing PCs with the price (depending on how DYI you'll go).

And why the PC has become so cheap now? Because it is a lot of buying, and many produce. If someone wants to have evolved Amiga - you need to regularly release new products and sell them. Do not get a jerk to release the "super-motherboard" and immediately become a champion. Should be published each year, buy an upgrade. Thereby increasing the turnover and developers, and the presence of the secondary market and the number of people using the Amiga.
It's long and hard way, but it's only one way for non-mainstream platform.

[haywirepc]

I agree with Piru.
 
Powerpc macs are plentiful, cheap and plenty of spare parts.
 
What do you think a blown motherboard on the x1000 would cost you to replace? or do you just throw it in the trash and spend another 2500$ if that happens on a new one?
 
People are too hung up on the name. Morph is worlds ahead in terms of usability and its inexpensive in comparison too. The hardware available is
as powerful for a small fraction of the price.
 
If you like ppc, Morph on mac hardware is a great way to go I think.
Personally, I don't care about the hardware, I care about the software and the end user experience.
 
Price of the toys however, of course, is a concern for everyone.
 
Steven

[ajlwalker]

Hm right. Sorry about that, missed it somehow.

No need to apologise.  You did make some good points about software, which I guess I didn't think about in depth.