Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[easy_john]

I even say that it is not so much a question of buying a new motherboard, how to support the development amiga as platform altogether.
I believe that everyone who is connected with Amiga, must somehow try to help in its development.

[Piru]

And all that is written "no," I want to say - you are enemies of amiga platform.

Oh dear.

Developers spent a lot of funds and time

Yes.

that would create a new, relatively competitive platform

No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

and you can't spend some money once in 2-3 years to upgrade the computer on your favorite platform?

"some money". You're kidding right?

I even say that it is not so much a question of buying a new motherboard, how to support the development amiga as platform altogether. I believe that everyone who is connected with Amiga, must somehow try to help in its development.

Regardless what you might want to think AmigaOS4 isn't the whole amiga platform, there are many other interesting developments and products to buy. Many don't consider AmigaOS4 any more amiga than the alternatives. So, why should anyone feel obliged to pay for something they don't consider worthy?

Just because someone is stupid enough to create a product that is hideously expensive and that has very tiny market doesn't mean we should be saving them from their own stupidity. Create a product that is reasonably priced with great balance of features and people will buy it.

[easy_john]

Although the use of the word 'enemies' is probably misguided.

maybe it's not quite accurate translation. In Russia there are well-established expression "You're your own enemy," it means that a person does something that will be worse for himself.
Without the support and regular production, although not very productive motherboard - platform dies, it's stupid not to understand. Anyone who says "I'm amiga-fan, but I will not buy a new board" is contributing to that development stops at all.

[jorkany]

I even say that it is not so much a question of buying a new motherboard, how to support the development amiga as platform altogether.
I believe that everyone who is connected with Amiga, must somehow try to help in its development.

We're talking about the X1000 here, not the Amiga.

[easy_john]

No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

So, no less - is better than it was before.
Without small steps will not be a major step.
Each purchased board, an investment in the continued development of the platform that would go on to make faster and more interesting board.

"some money". You're kidding right?

Аor me - it's very noticeable amount. I think I can spend money only in the spring.
On the other hand, if you look what Amiga motherboards, we were able to buy only once in 2-4 years, was really a new board. To do an upgrade every 3-4 years is not too often.

[easy_john]

We're talking about the X1000 here, not the Amiga.

oh, okay, do not have this flaming about that Amiga, and what does not Amiga.
Not too much hardware in the world, to run amigaos.

[easy_john]

Create a product that is reasonably priced with great balance of features and people will buy it.

I understand that to create a product that is comparable in complexity to a modern motherboard, the cheaper it is impossible.
Why do you think otherwise?
There are examples of cheap motherboards that were released in small batches?

[Piru]

I understand that to create a product that is comparable in complexity to a modern motherboard, the cheaper it is impossible.
Why do you think otherwise?

What makes you think I think otherwise? I don't.

There are examples of cheap motherboards that were released in small batches?

There are none.

Which is kind of my point. That's why it is pure madness to try build new custom powerpc hardware. It will be hideously expensive, with little to no support and after couple of years once the manufacturer is gone there will be no way to get repairs or spare parts. It just doesn't make any sense.

[sim085]

... and when was it planned to be released?

For me it is a NO.

[djrikki]

So Piru's answer is not even bother trying?

@jorkany - That old chestnut again.  Considering X1000 and SAM range contain AmigaOS they can be considered an Amiga.  There are other threads devoted to nit-pickers I am sure.

(ME: Although the use of the word 'enemies' is probably misguided.)

(EASY JOHN: maybe it's not quite accurate translation. In Russia there are well-established expression "You're your
own enemy," it means that a person does something that will be worse for himself.
Without the support and regular production, although not very productive motherboard - platform dies, it's stupid not to understand. Anyone who says "I'm amiga-fan, but I will not buy a new board" is contributing to that development stops at all.)

Yeah I can understand that 100%.  Problem is there a lot of people on this board who don't really support Amiga and just come here to whinge about 'how things could have been' and look back into the past too much.

easy_john wrote: that would create a new, relatively competitive platform

piru replied: No. Whichever way you look at it, it sure isn't competitive.

Lacking in some big areas yes, but the OS looks fairly up to par in the most important of areas:

* Program Launcher
* File Exploration
* Networking between Macs and PCs
* Internet, FTP, Email
* Desktop and Gui preferences etc

Sure things maybe a little less eye-candy, but pretty functionality.  Once again it really depends on everyone's personal expectations of what an operating system should offer.

If you want amazing third-party apps you have to give developers a great system first and the new Amiga specs do exactly that for the AVERAGE user.. ie. the biggest userbase.

[redrumloa]

So Piru's answer is not even bother trying?

I'd guess he would say, there is more than one way to skin a cat :lol:

[easy_john]

Which is kind of my point. That's why it is pure madness to try build new custom powerpc hardware. It will be hideously expensive, with little to no support and after couple of years once the manufacturer is gone there will be no way to get repairs or spare parts. It just doesn't make any sense.

Okay, but without the hardware -  platform is dead. What's your idea?

[redrumloa]

Okay, but without the hardware - platform is dead. What's your idea?

Project Moana?

[mongo]

I think the money spent on developing the X1000 would have been better spent on the MPC8610 Open Source Mainboard bounty.

[easy_john]

Project Moana?

Moana support only PPC mac? No way, it's deadlock. No more PPC mac hardware.

[Franko]

When you have been using the Amiga right from the start just like I & many here have, you do have the tendency too look back and say what if & if only.

However that in no way means that I don't support anyone who tries to bring us new Amiga related products. You have to take each thing as it comes and judge it on it's own merits.

I've looked at all the products that have been released since the true Amiga died, I can only say none of them were for me. I'm just hoping that the X1000 will prove to be the one I'm after.

I don't understand why some folk keep going on about things being too expensive, if it's your main hobby and you what your doing brings you enjoyment, then surely the cost doesn't matter...

There is no point in saying Yes or No right now to the X1000 as it's best to wait and see just what it can actually do, if it ever does get released. That's why I said maybe earlier.