Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!

[buzz]

I would think the majority of people these days use an adsl router, so amitcp can do the job ok. Back when roadshow was first announced, I would have been interesting perhaps in purchasing it perhaps, although I did already buy miami (far too much money!).

If it was to become open source, then I would contribute to a fund for that though for example. This would guarantee availability for the future, and allow people to improve on it if they desire. Guess that's not possible contractually for you, but just to say where my feelings are.

Seems there are plenty who are interested though, so I hope it goes well.

[wawrzon]

@olaf:
i understand your pov about the distribution very well, but you, a coder, also have to take how users see it into account. having released your stack a few years ago not only you would prevent the severe misuse of miami licences and in the end sell more units but could also demand more money per licence i think. i dont understand what was stopping you to do so all the time? contacts again? but good thing that it has changed. nevertheless seing it in relation, if an operating system (featuring a tcp stack) is calculated around 100eur then a stack alone would be fair to be in a 10eur range. heck, i would pay 14,99 ;PD, for the sake of it even if i have no router to connect my amis just now. see the genuine amigan loyality.

[buzz]

Yes, join forces, put aside old difference and nickpickings, set up a working group for implementing an open and modern TCP stack for all Amiga plattforms.

Just to be blunt, how much would be enough for you to hand out Roadshow sources?

I second this, but in Amiga (stupid) land, things like this never happen, which is part of the reason I moved on in many ways. It's not always the case of course, there are a handful of decent open source cross amiga platform apps, but tis not the norm

[olsen]

@olaf:
i understand your pov about the distribution very well, but you, a coder, also have to take how users see it into account. having released your stack a few years ago not only you would prevent the severe misuse of miami licences and in the end sell more units but could also demand more money per licence i think. i dont understand what was stopping you to do so all the time?

It was the old story: boy meets girl, boy loses girl...

Wait, it was different old story, which went like this: bottom drops out of the Amiga market, harder than usual this time, companies you did consulting work for during the last 10 years go bust, an old friend and collaborator dies of a cardiac arrest, and you find out how hard it can be to overcome a burnout.

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you.

contacts again?

I'm more comfortable viewing it as a stroke of prolonged bad luck and burnout.

[olsen]

Right... what's an ADSL modem again? It's like complaining about how much it sucks at ISDN, really.



Yes, join forces, put aside old difference and nickpickings, set up a working group for implementing an open and modern TCP stack for all Amiga plattforms.

The need to have one of those doesn't seem to have woken up the people capable and willing to create it yet. Call me pessimistic, but from my experience a genuine need to have a solution for an urgent problem tends to attract the people who solve it. And if that hasn't happen yet, it's because the need isn't as great as you may feel it is.

Just to be blunt, how much would be enough for you to hand out Roadshow sources?

Well, if I were free to give it away, which I am not, I wouldn't sell it. I would give it away. Not everything is just for sale. Where would be the fun in that?

I'm not looking to get rich, it just bothers me that Roadshow never made it into the hands of the people who would have found it useful, and I never got the kind of feedback for it which I would have gotten if Roadshow had been properly released.

[Vulture]

I honestly think that a 15-20 euros price range is not much for a lightweight and fast tcp-ip stack that'll be actually supported.

[Akiko]

I'm very interested, has my full support

[Karlos]

It is somewhat complicated, but luckily there's a great guide about it:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/

This is exactly the guide I was looking for in a previous thread. Now to find the thread :lol:

[platon42]

Wait, it was different old story, which went like this: bottom drops out of the Amiga market, harder than usual this time, companies you did consulting work for during the last 10 years go bust, an old friend and collaborator dies of a cardiac arrest, and you find out how hard it can be to overcome a burnout.

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you.

I hope you didn't mean HF passed away. Haven't heard of him for a very long time now. Anyway, five or six years ago I would have written your MUI frontend easily... but you know yourself, as time passes, so does the past... still a shame to see the Roadshow "If you liked the demo buy the real thing" requester popping up, when I forget to start up Miami...

I really hope you'll find enough supporters to get your fine product out on the streets. It deserves to be used.

[kolla]

And if that hasn't happen yet, it's because the need isn't as great as you may feel it is.

I don't think there is much of a need, since amiga people are blatantly ignorant about the entire networking thing. Till the day their oh so beloved supermodern browser, be it OWB or TimberWolf, stops working that is. I'm just saying that I don't see much point in Roadshow either at this point, what does it bring to the table that one cannot do already with old AmiTCP? Is it really that much better? What features are there? Will you continue to develop it, like some people here seem to think? If so, what is the road.. heh.. map?

In my view Hyperion are fools to think they can continue to maintain an IP stack in-house, they also have plenty of other things to worry about, like USB stack and whatnot.

Well, if I were free to give it away, which I am not, I wouldn't sell it. I would give it away. Not everything is just for sale. Where would be the fun in that?

Indeed, where is the fun in that - let me rephrase the question - how much would it cost to buy out Roadshow from whoever own it, Hyperion I presume?

I'm not looking to get rich, it just bothers me that Roadshow never made it into the hands of the people who would have found it useful, and I never got the kind of feedback for it which I would have gotten if Roadshow had been properly released.

What, OS4 users don't offer good enough feedback? Shocking! :roflmao:

[itix]

It was the old story: boy meets girl, boy loses girl...

Wait, it was different old story, which went like this: bottom drops out of the Amiga market,

Speaking of Amiga market wouldnt it be better create bounty to release RoadShow/68k binaries for free? No need to worry about piracy, shipping costs, CD duplication or wondering if there will be enough buyers.

[frakswe]

What, OS4 users don't offer good enough feedback? Shocking! :roflmao:

well, you configure it when installing the OS , after that it works in the background doing it's thing. it's not exactly in your face all the time, "sadly" for Olsen it works too good hence no feedback.

but i'll take this opportunity and thank Olsen for a great stack that "just works", thanks.

[kolla]

well, you configure it when installing the OS, after that it works in the background doing it's thing.

Right, and OS4 users aren't crazy enough to try using their machines as routers or bridges, sharing uplinks, having multi homed systems, sharing media from their machines over DLNA etc. At least I have used my A3000 as a router once

[frakswe]

Right, and OS4 users aren't crazy enough to try using their machines as routers or bridges, sharing uplinks, having multi homed systems, sharing media from their machines over DLNA etc. At least I have used my A3000 as a router once

no, a standalone router is better suited and more energy effecient...besides, amigaos isn't a server os as you probably know.

[kolla]

no, a standalone router is better suited and more energy effecient...

How is running a router and an OS4.1 computer more energy efficient than just running an OS4.1 computer?

besides, amigaos isn't a server os as you probably know.

In my view there is no "server OS", that's just a term certain people invented in attempts to justify the shortcommings in their beloved system. Once you have a machine online, noone cares if the OS you're running is "server os" or not, it's what you do with it that matters, and shuffling around traffic as a router or bridge does not even sort under "server" activities.

[warpdesign]

and I never got the kind of feedback for it which I would have gotten if Roadshow had been properly released.

Does this mean you didn't get the expected feedback from OS4 Roadshow version ?