Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[takemehomegrandma]

Amigans.net is the only Amiga board that performs continuos inactive accounts clean ups.

Oh, is that what they call it? :roll:

Ah well, I've never doubted that that place is very... ahem, "clean and tidy"...

[Karlos]

IIRC inactive accounts were removed with the switchover to Vbullitin but you'd have to confirm that with Karlos.

I wasn't actually involved in the user account import process as vB had all the tools for that built right in.

It was all the non-standard 3rd party xoops modules I worked in migrating.

I know that a few times over the years here there has been some account pruning, but only of users that hadn't logged in for many months.

[takemehomegrandma]

Are you saying that is happening in the here and now at AW.net?  Or does your accusation only relate to when the original AmigaOne was introduced?

Things are better on AW.net now than before, but *you do have* a site culture which prohibits the slightest insinuation/hypothesis that MorphOS or AROS could actually have *any kind* of merits, close to, equal to, or superior to OS4. Such arguments aren't met with factual counter arguments, as you would expect in a civilized discussion, but fought with the usual "Foul!", "Moderators!", "Enemy of the Amiga!", "How can this outrageous behavior be allowed?" kind of response. After much internal grief and agony, the site decided to allow discussions about these OS's, but only in a separated, "second class citizen" forum. Meaning, that for a very long time, posts in this forum was hidden away from the front page, and when it finally was suggested to change this; that MorphOS and AROS discussions *would actually be visible*, it caused the World War III at the site. Every now and then when some MorphOS or AROS news are posted there, *there will still be* meta-discussions about the fact that the news item was even posted at all (read: it shouldn't be allowed).

This is what some users in this thread obviously calls "a less distorted view". I don't agree, I call that a one-sided and homogeneous view.

Even though (as I put it earlier) Perestroika at least officially hit the site some time ago, most of the informal norms and the same culture from the past still remains. And this despite to the subtitle of the site: "Amiga Community Portal".

Amiga.org doesn't have this problem, which boils down to my point I made earlier on:

Amiga.org is the true Amiga Community Portal.

[ffastback]

Things are better on AW.net now than before, but *you do have* a site culture which prohibits the slightest insinuation/hypothesis that MorphOS or AROS could actually have *any kind* of merits close to, equal to, or superior to OS4.

People are on there all the time saying MorphOS is superior in one way or another.  Some MorphOS proponents seem to post more on AW.net than they do Morphzone.  Lets be real on this.

Such arguments aren't met with factual counter arguments, as you would expect in a civilized discussion, but fought with the usual "Foul!", "Moderators!", "Enemy of the Amiga!", "How can this outrageous behavior be allowed?" kind of response.

Such arguments are sometimes met by what you describe and sometimes met with factual counter arguments, even though you don't want to admit that.  Usually most such crying occurs when a MorphOS evangelist throws in a factual zinger in a thread that had nothing to do with MorphOS.  People get upset at thread hijacks.  They don't need to hear that MorphOS is faster in a benchmark when they are trying to discuss Timberwolf or whatever.

After much internal grief and agony, the site decided to allow discussions about these OS's, but only in a separated, "second class citizen" forum. For a very long time, posts in this forum was hidden away from the front page, and when it was suggested to change this; that MorphOS and AROS discussions *would actually be visible*, it caused the World War III at the site.

I actually was one of the most vocal supporters of the Alt Amiga OS forum showing on the main page.  ssolie and I had several public arguments over this.  Membership voted for it getting on the main page, and it did.  The point that I think irks many AW.net regulars at this point is that there is a group of MorphOS users that don't use that forum much, if at all, and instead seek to hijack and/or derail OS4 threads in OS4 forums.

Every now and then when some MorphOS or AROS news are posted there, *there will still be* meta-discussions about the fact that the news item was even posted at all (read: it shouldn't be allowed).

To be more accurate some people are upset at the dubious timing of some MorphOS news items.  I have been forwarded IRC chat transcripts which (if genuine) show that as sad as this is, there is at least occasional coordination to sink OS4 news items down the list.  As for the site and its staff though, when did you last ever hear of us rejecting a MorphOS news item?  And we hardly ever re-order new items.  And when we do its usually for something very timely.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ffastback

You explain and put up examples. And in my eyes all these annoyances about "MorphOS guys posting in OS4 threads" boils down to one thing: the "you've got to keep'em separated" norm; that you have been a part of for so long now yourself, that it probably has become a norm and normal to you as well. "They shouldn't post here, in this fine thread! After all, we provided some other fine place for them to be!". Whites in the front of the bus, blacks in the back. Apartheid.

What we have seen here on Amiga.org recently, through users "DAX" et al, is some expectations that other forums (Amiga.org in particular) would function in the same way as AW.net does (culture-wise), and disappointment when it didn't. Hence "Amiga.org is giving you distorted views".

Amiga.org isn't like that. It's about *all* aspects of *everything Amiga*.

[Fab]

To be more accurate some people are upset at the dubious timing of some MorphOS news items.  I have been forwarded IRC chat transcripts which (if genuine) show that as sad as this is, there is at least occasional coordination to sink OS4 news items down the list.

Ahum. You mean like OS4.1 announced just a few days after MorphOS 2.0 release, or the settlement between A-inc and Hyperion announced just a few days after MorphOS 2.4 release for Mac mini? I have other examples in stock if needed.

The coincidences are quite interesting... Always announcements just a few days after MorphOS releases. Well, it's probably just paranoia from my side, obviously.

[the_leander]

Are you saying that is happening in the here and now at AW.net?  Or does your accusation only relate to when the original AmigaOne was introduced?

The latter.

To be clear, I was actually on the original AW.net site when it was just a member page for the IRC channel on Undernet before the exodus occurred.

[the_leander]

TMHG and leander are 2 guys I respect, I believe I own leanders old 3k (nice chain drilling BTW )

You got it from Robert? When I passed her onto him she was all original parts. Although in desperate need of a replacement PSU (it sounded like a camera flash charging up when you turned her on - the caps were that badly stuffed) so not guilty on that one Also ta and likewise

 but you cannot come on here spouting you ill informed views and ignoring the past without winding up the locals. There are certain people that are still in the Amiga world that drove the community to its various camps (at least 2 were at VCF) and they cannot be forgiven for their past actions.

If you don't want to be called up on every post, I respectfully suggest you return to where you views are more sympathetically received.

Hear hear.

[ffastback]

@ffastback

You explain and put up examples. And in my eyes all these annoyances about "MorphOS guys posting in OS4 threads" boils down to one thing: the "you've got to keep'em separated" norm; that you have been a part of for so long now yourself, that it probably has become a norm and normal to you as well. "They shouldn't post here, in this fine thread! After all, we provided some other fine place for them to be!". Whites in the front of the bus, blacks in the back. Apartheid.

And yet these people are not separated.  As I mentioned before MorphOS users post on AW.net quite frequently.  Usually they are posting in AOS 4.x related threads.  If it was apartheid this would not be occurring.  Most times when AOS users make a stink about a MorphOS user's postings in an AOS 4.x related thread their pleas go unanswered or even denied in the case of many abuse reports.

I know some find it more fun to pretend that there is some conspiracy of oppression, but this is not supported by the facts as they exist in the here and now.

[ffastback]

Ahum. You mean like OS4.1 announced just a few days after MorphOS 2.0 release, or the settlement between A-inc and Hyperion announced just a few days after MorphOS 2.4 release for Mac mini? I have other examples in stock if needed.

The coincidences are quite interesting... Always announcements just a few days after MorphOS releases. Well, it's probably just paranoia from my side, obviously.

It would not surprise me if some of that was calculated.  It would be just as stupid and petty.

Either way as a site AW.net has published all those news items no matter the "camp" and the re-ordering of a news item to the top hardly ever happens.  Where is the problem really?

[Fab]

It would not surprise me if some of that was calculated.  It would be just as stupid and petty.

Either way as a site AW.net has published all those news items no matter the "camp" and the re-ordering of a news item to the top hardly ever happens.  Where is the problem really?

No problem to me. Just wanted to give another version of the rumour you were referring to.

[som99]

You should be seeing dual core 2.5GHz ARM cellphones by the end of the year that can encode/decode 1080P.  I think it can edit as well.

I would not think so, since TI has the Cortex A9 on the OMAP4440 pushed quite near it's limits at a little over 1GHz dual core I would bet my right "ARM" that they won't push a new Cortex over 2GHz this year. Ill take that "RISC".

[Andre.Siegel]

To be more accurate some people are upset at the dubious timing of some MorphOS news items.  I have been forwarded IRC chat transcripts which (if genuine) show that as sad as this is, there is at least occasional coordination to sink OS4 news items down the list.

All of the announcements on the official MorphOS website refer to software releases that had been planned on average for multiple weeks, sometimes months. The only exception is the latest SDK update which replaced the public beta version rather quickly.

In fact, I will go as far as to say that prematurely releasing a MorphOS OS update to coincide with news from whomever is completely out of the question. There are strict quality assurance rules in place which have never been broken since 2.0 was first introduced. If anything, updates might be *postponed* if serious issues are being discovered by testers or developers within a few weeks before a scheduled release.

Third-party releases from individual developers are a different story. I cannot possibly have insight into all of those. But as far as official MorphOS news items go, timing has absolutely nothing to do with any outside influences. There have never been official announcements of future announcements either...

[takemehomegrandma]

And yet these people are not separated.

I've tried to make a point that this isn't achieved by AW.net moderators through some official Berlin Wall, but enforced through the unofficial culture and norms that has ruled that site since its very birth (since it was the original reason to start the site and conduct the "exodus" from Amiga.org). These norms and culture are also the reasons behind the clashes and frequent, repeated protests you have about "the new order" from various "old timers". You can't deny that these norms and culture exists.

So your tag line "Amiga Community Portal" is false, and so is DAX's claim that "the view Amiga.org is giving you is quite distorted". In fact it's the other way around. The culture at Amiga.org is pluralistic. All aspects of everything Amiga is covered. Amiga.org is the one worthy of the tag line "Amiga Community Portal".

[ffastback]

enforced through the unofficial culture and norms that has ruled that site since its very birth (since it was the original reason to start the site and conduct the "exodus" from Amiga.org). These norms and culture are also the reasons behind the clashes and frequent, repeated protests you have about "the new order" from various "old timers". You can't deny that these norms and culture exists.

So your tag line "Amiga Community Portal" is false,

Cultures are ever evolving.  If I remember correctly you expended quite an effort to make sure such a culture existed though didn't you?  People can always make a choice to act more maturely.  They can make a choice to not post when they know they have a smirk on their face because they are doing it to annoy people.  They can make a choice to grow the hell up and realize its just a hobby computer platform.

The fact is that people can post about MorphOS and AROS quite easily on the site.  Just ask someone like clusteruk.  Same goes for Classic.  The site is actually more uncomfortable for the AOS 4.x only user based on the culture of the site (as determined by its userbase).  Its almost always only those users that need to be nervous that almost any thread they make in regard to AOS 4.x will quickly devolve into a steamy pile of crap.

[ffastback]

Third-party releases from individual developers are a different story. I cannot possibly have insight into all of those. But as far as official MorphOS news items go, timing has absolutely nothing to do with any outside influences. There have never been official announcements of future announcements either...

To clarify I was referring to MorphOS related news, not MorphOS official announcements.