Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[TheBilgeRat]

When I say it, I get flamed, but you're right. However, there's one part in which you are wrong.

There *IS* a chance, albeit an *EXTREMELY* small one, for the Amiga to once again hit the "mainstream" and I'll tell you why.

Google Chrome.

Microsoft is no longer the "end all, be all" of the desktop market. Apple is making small bites at the market (which is something I've been saying Amiga should have been doing for years). Steve Jobs was smart. He created the Iphone and the Ipod, which after years of effort, has become the "staple" of what consumers consider "mainstream". Seriously. Everyone I know wants an Iphone and or wants/has an Ipod. Since the migration to X86, Apple is slowly encroaching into the PC marketplace, because people are tired of Windows. Linux is also becoming a contender due to Ubuntu, as well as increasing software support. I know *TONS* of people that are anxiously waiting for Google Chrome. This is no longer a Windows Market.

Amiga could make a dent in this market, simply by name only, due to the fact that a *LOT* of IT guys, Animators, Game Developers, etc. *REMEMBER* the name. They may not remember the Amiga in its heyday, but they remember the name. Why else would Bill McEwen be interested in it? He knew that for all the Amiga IPs, it was the *NAME* that was most important. The problem is, he knew next to nothing about marketing, economics or running a business. Here's the problem, however.

There's no market base and there's no reason for anyone who's *NOT* an "Amigan" (a term I now use apathetically) to even bother with AROS, OS4 or MorphOS, due to the simple fact that there's nothing the Amiga "flavors" can do that Windows, OSX or Linux cannot do cheaper and more effectively. There is *ZERO* incentive for anyone to use any of the said "flavors", other than nostalgia. Even if one were interested in using one of the Amiga "alternatives" all it would take is a single *LOOK* at any of the current Amiga Forums to have them walk away in disgust, due to the infighting amongst the "community".

There's AROS.exec for the AROS fans. MorphZone is for the MorphOS fans. AmigaWorld.net is for the OS4 fans and Amigans.net is for the over-zealous OS4 fans who took it to an extreme. Amiga.org, which to my knowledge, is the *OLDEST* Amiga Forum on the interwebs still in existence is supportive of all three "next gen" Amiga operating systems as well as Classic 3.9, but there seems to be more fighting here, than anywhere else and it's not surprising. Amiga.org is the most *LIBERAL* of all Amiga sites and once someone gets banned elsewhere, they come here.

The *ONLY* way that the Amiga is going to survive in any shape or form, beyond being classified as a "hobby OS" and to not be ridiculed on just about every site I visit (Slashdot is a good example) is once *ALL* the camps begin working together and the developers begin coding or porting all the essential applications that *EVERY* modern OS provides. Whichever Amiga "flavor" has a working, modern browser, with flash support, a fully working Java port, Email clients, etc. *FIRST* is the "chosen successor" of Classic 3.1 and *NOT* who had "access to the original code". We're not going to go anywhere, until all the petty bickering stops completely.

I sincerely wish that I had the power within me to end this infighting, once and for all. Had I the money, I would have purchased the licenses to the Amiga IPs *years* ago and worked with *ALL* the Amiga camps to provide the most robust Amiga operating system the world has ever seen. AROS would have been the X86 version and both MorphOS *AND* OS4 would have survived as PPC operating systems, with each version having the *SAME* API, using the *SAME* GUI overlay, providing the *SAME* user experience, just on different platforms. I wouldn't have been in it for the money, 'cos right now, there just *ISN'T* any......

My concern was to get the name recognized again, to pass developer systems (for free, mind you) to companies like Autodesk, Adobe, Sun Microsystems, Corel, Fractal Designs, etc. in the hopes that they would port their products to the Amiga operating systems and to get the game support that the Windows, OSX and Linux operating systems appreciate. If I had the money, I would have *EATEN* the cost to provide this, not because I wanted to make money, but because I *LOVE* the Workbench (YES, that's what I believe it should be called, period) *MORE* than any operating system I have ever used and *BELIEVE* that it could still make an impact. All of you need to pray that I win the lottery one day, because if I ever did, *THIS* is what the money would be spent on.

So yes, I too, am a "zealot", but for the *SPIRIT* of the Amiga and what it could once do, instead of the various camps so many of you have chosen. I care not of your camp, I only care that you wish to see the Amiga survive and to see it flourish.

So many of you, however, seem to have lost your way.......

Quoted for +a billion awesome.

[runequester]

Quoted for +a billion awesome.

the man speaks truth

[takemehomegrandma]

As I told you you should visit AW and other sites, the "vision" Amiga.org is giving you is quite distorted as far as your conception of "the rest of the community".

Amiga.org: 7,155 members.
AW.net: 4,428 members.
Amigans.net: 1205 (of which only 300 visits in a month)

Amiga.org is all about all aspects of Amiga. All true Amigans are here. This site isn't about forcing some view about "what is Amiga" onto people; people here are perfectly capable of having their own views on that. It's a true community site, not a marketing site for one particular product, and thus the most relevant site for all things Amiga.

AW.net was created with the sole purpose to suppress/censor any other views than that everyone should buy products from Eyetech and Hyperion. Deleted posts, deleted threads, deleted user accounts was the way they enforced this "truth".

When Perestroika finally made its way to AW.net, the same clowns that once were behind the "exodus" to AW.net, tried a new exodus to amigans.net, to be able to continue the same policy. And look how well that went.

So don't come here lecturing others about "distorted views on Amiga.org", you child of propaganda. Allowing a multitude of voices, views and opinions is the very *remedy* for distorted views.

[the_leander]

Amiga.org: 7,155 members.
AW.net: 4,428 members.
Amigans.net: 1205 (of which only 300 visits in a month)

Amiga.org is all about all aspects of Amiga. All true Amigans are here. This site isn't about forcing some view about "what is Amiga" onto people; people here are perfectly capable of having their own views on that. It's a true community site, not a marketing site for one particular product, and thus the most relevant site for all things Amiga.

AW.net was created with the sole purpose to suppress/censor any other views than that everyone should buy products from Eyetech and Hyperion. Deleted posts, deleted threads, deleted user accounts was the way they enforced this "truth".

When Perestroika finally made its way to AW.net, the same clowns that once were behind the "exodus" to AW.net, tried a new exodus to amigans.net, to be able to continue the same policy. And look how well that went.

So don't come here lecturing others about "distorted views on Amiga.org", you child of propaganda. Allowing a multitude of voices, views and opinions is the very *remedy* for distorted views.

Well said sir, well said.

[DAX]

Amiga.org: 7,155 members.
AW.net: 4,428 members.
Amigans.net: 1205 (of which only 300 visits in a month)

Amiga.org is all about all aspects of Amiga. All true Amigans are here. This site isn't about forcing some view about "what is Amiga" onto people; people here are perfectly capable of having their own views on that. It's a true community site, not a marketing site for one particular product, and thus the most relevant site for all things Amiga.

AW.net was created with the sole purpose to suppress/censor any other views than that everyone should buy products from Eyetech and Hyperion. Deleted posts, deleted threads, deleted user accounts was the way they enforced this "truth".

When Perestroika finally made its way to AW.net, the same clowns that once were behind the "exodus" to AW.net, tried a new exodus to amigans.net, to be able to continue the same policy. And look how well that went.

So don't come here lecturing others about "distorted views on Amiga.org", you child of propaganda. Allowing a multitude of voices, views and opinions is the very *remedy* for distorted views.

I'm afraid it is no longer like that, moreover you must be precise with your information.

First Amigans.net is the only Amiga board that performs continuos inactive accounts clean ups, they were at almost 1300, went below 1000 after many clean ups, and now they are back at 1205.

Yes many do not visit often but those are 1205 active accounts.

AW.net and Amiga.org however have accounts that are not used since ages (and will probably never be used ever again) not to mention that with past wars, who knows how many trolls built second accounts just to post under different identity (this appens everywhere but these accounts get cleaned at Amigans).

That said, if the AmigaOS4 community en mass, decided to dwell elsewhere, you will still NOT get the whole picture here.

I see the same number of MOS and AROS users participating at AW , as I see here (actually more) while there is not even a tiny fraction of AW's AmigaOS4 population here.

Morover ALL moderators there are NOT AmigaOS only people, most have MOS and fairlanefastback while being an adamant AROS fan, owns all of them.

So how can this be the only board an Amigan (of any flavor) should frequent?

I believe that you and the_leander have a problem with them, but quite frankly it is not so for every other MOS, AROS and classic users which all happily participate.

Sorry but you do need to visit all boards to get the whole picture, and you cannot speak about the WHOLE community (and say Aos4 supporters are just a few, as I heard here) when you never go out of your usual circle.

[drHirudo]

Amiga.org: 7,155 members.
AW.net: 4,428 members.
Amigans.net: 1205 (of which only 300 visits in a month)

Amiga.org is all about all aspects of Amiga. ite for all things Amiga.

When was the last account clearance at Amiga.org? I mean removing all the unused for years accounts, like AmigaWorld.net did some years ago?

Was it before or after Wayne got screwed by BBRV?

For me the best forum for classic Amiga is neither Amiga.org, nor AmigaWorld.net. It's EAB.

[neglesaks]

The Amiga Lives!!!1

You can have my MC68000 when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

[the_leander]

When was the last account clearance at Amiga.org? I mean removing all the unused for years accounts, like AmigaWorld.net did some years ago?

IIRC inactive accounts were removed with the switchover to Vbullitin but you'd have to confirm that with Karlos.

[the_leander]

First Amigans.net is the only Amiga board that performs continuos inactive accounts clean ups, they were at almost 1300, went below 1000 after many clean ups, and now they are back at 1205.

Define "active". Showing up once a month? Once every 3 months? It's all well and good lambasting someone over accuracy, but if you're going to do so it behoves you to do likewise.

AW.net and Amiga.org however have accounts that are not used since ages (and will probably never be used ever again) not to mention that with past wars, who knows how many trolls built second accounts just to post under different identity (this appens everywhere but these accounts get cleaned at Amigans).

Yes we've all seen first hand the removal of "troll" accounts.

That said, if the AmigaOS4 community en mass, decided to dwell elsewhere, you will still NOT get the whole picture here.

You're right, Amiga.org doesn't get the whole picture. For starters it doesn't have nearly as many of the more hardline screwballs from either camp.

Morover ALL moderators there are NOT AmigaOS only people, most have MOS and fairlanefastback while being an adamant AROS fan, owns all of them.

From what I've seen, fairlanefastback has had something of a mixed reception on AW.

So how can this be the only board an Amigan (of any flavor) should frequent?

Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it chum?

I believe that you and the_leander have a problem with them

With whome?

Sorry but you do need to visit all boards to get the whole picture, and you cannot speak about the WHOLE community (and say Aos4 supporters are just a few, as I heard here) when you never go out of your usual circle.

And what makes you think even for a second that either myself or TMHG haven't visited these sites?

[DAX]

Inactive accounts clean-ups are performed regularly (sometimes after 30 days from previous one, sometimes after 3 months, sometimes after 6 months) so all indicated accounts are active members.
Talk me about amiga.org recent clean ups (none? thought so ).

Look, let's not turn this into another piss*ing contest, when you said that "just you and few others" would enjoy the X1000, I simply told you to look outside to find out that Aos users are not in the small numbers you see here.
I see no "whole" community here, many Classic aficionados, a limited number of MOS users and, what, like 6 Aos users?

Come on, you gotta accept that a big part of the Amiga community doesn't visit here anymore (although they have old unused accounts), and even MOS and AROS users frequent AW far more often.

Don't blame me for that.

[gazgod]

@DAX

To me amiga is all about classics, yes I own and use a Morphos machine but thats because its the most compatible, fast 68k workbench I can get, without going down the pure emulation route. If i really want to run blender or some other opensource application I easlly have 20+ machines here that can run it far aster than any NG Amiga.
I was run blender for years ago on my Sun Blade 1000 (dual 900Mhz Sparc Cpus) and I'd put that £200 machine in the pepsi challenge against any new amiga any day, it might get beaten eventually by the X1000 but i'm not holding my breath.

The point i'm trying to make is that most of the A.org community know that the amiga is dead, many don't own amiga's any more but its a spirital home to them and its usually the most relaxed forum until a user comes along and starts poking a stick in the hornets nest.
TMHG and leander are 2 guys I respect, I believe I own leanders old 3k (nice chain drilling BTW ) but you cannot come on here spouting you ill informed views and ignoring the past without winding up the locals. There are certain people that are still in the Amiga world that drove the community to its various camps (at least 2 were at VCF) and they cannot be forgiven for their past actions.

If you don't want to be called up on every post, I respectfully suggest you return to where you views are more sympathetically received.

[Pyromania]

@DAX

I own and use Amiga OS 4.1. In fact I'm making sure that Aladdin 4D 6.0 comes out for Amiga OS 4.x right after the OS X version so I am an OS 4.1 fan. If the X1000 sells well we will support the XMOS chip as a render engine if it makes sense to do so. I also have a Mac mini with MorphOS 2.5 and boot AROS via VM sometimes. And of course I also use the excellent Amiga Forever 2010 from CLOANTO.  Amiga.org supports Classic Amiga, Virtual Amiga's (Amiga Forever 2010), Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS & AROS. All viewpoints are welcome and healthy debates are how people learn new things and grow. If no one talked about Amiga anymore or had passion for it then it would be truly dead. Instead 2010 looks like a great year so far for Amiga & Next Gen news.

Every month Amiga.org gets over 60 GB of traffic so it is a very lively and busy site. I would hate to see what it would get if it was the only Amiga fan site. One Petabyte of traffic maybe? I do feel it's important to have other sites too and that helps the platform even more because customers have more freedom of choice. Each site has its own twist and way of doing things thats a little different and diversity is good if millions of fans are to come back to the Amiga scene in 2010 and beyond.

[ffastback]

From what I've seen, fairlanefastback has had something of a mixed reception on AW.

All I can do is try to do that (unpaid) job as best I can based on my interpretation of the TOS for that site. I do find it laughable though reading the accusations on Moo, when I mod someone who happens to be red then I am a MorphOS pawn, even though I am an AOS user as well.  When I mod a MorphOS user I am in the pocket of Hyperion even though I bought a Peg for MorphOS before AOS ever ran on the box.  The funniest part of it all is that the changing accusations often come from the same people (presumably just for the constant need they have for drama).

[redrumloa]

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Already covered by others.

[ffastback]

I refuse to give patronage to sites that actively help in the commission of fraud.

Are you saying that is happening in the here and now at AW.net?  Or does your accusation only relate to when the original AmigaOne was introduced?

[takemehomegrandma]

Amigans.net is the only Amiga board that performs continuos inactive accounts clean ups.

Oh, is that what they call it? :roll:

Ah well, I've never doubted that that place is very... ahem, "clean and tidy"...