How is OS4 ?

[Manu]

You guys whether you're MorphOS or AROS or any other damn thing are as far removed from the original Amiga Spirit as I can even try and ponder... AmigaOS individuals who have stayed with the platform, there are some of us, are not unlike we always have been... We feel about our machine... you lot belong in the PC world where cpus are chips and an os is a means to an end... bloody well enjoy it and leave us dreamers (if you like) alone...

That's just narrowminded, I don't mind OS4 MOS many AROS users feel the same.
We hope there could be more co-operation though. We all have the same roots, it's a win win situation if we'd start to co-operate more.

[som99]

@Tone007  


@Som99
Instead I think it's Lazy. look at my reply (the one to runequester I mean) I actually take the time to describe my OS4 experience to him, comparisons are lazy shortcuts.
Moreover to make unbiased comparisons of that kind you would need an impartial multi-platform developer (such as DiscreetFX for example) not OS4 and MOS users.
What the latter should do is give detailed descriptions with screenshots if possible in order to help the asking person without any Bias.

@Piru
Maybe he didn't like that thread and wanted to just hear about OS4, ok take out that maybe:

From runequester post:

Well I agree your reply with your OS4 experiance was nice, tho comparisons would atleast be intresting for me and a good way to see both OSes weaknesses and strenghts.

Tho I do not agree that comparisons are lazy, but quite constructive.

[Karlos]

Well I do not fully agree since you cant run OS3.9 nativly on either AmigaOS 4.x and MorphOS "modern" hardware.

If you take that position, then it's almost as irrelevant to compare MOS and OS4 then, given that the only non-classic system that will run both is the Peg 2 and they aren't new or that easy to find if you are a new user. In that case, you are probably going to be looking at a Sam to run OS4 or a Mac to run MOS. MOS doesn't run on the SAM and OS4 doesn't run on the Mac (well, you can just about boot it if you know what you are doing).

Then it would not realy be fair, since the original poster dident ask about Classic Amigas with PPC.

No, he asked about OS4, period. He didn't ask about alternatives and he didn't ask about hardware either (he opened a separate thread for that).

But yes some reflections with OS3.9 would be nice to see.

I think it's the most logical comparison to make. You need to know what benefits your next OS (plus whatever hardware it needs to run) is going to give you over your existing one.

[DAX]

@som99
I also agree that comparisons "CAN" be constructive but as you probably know by now, they often and up not being so (hence the need for impartial people, but where do we find such people in Amiga land? :lol:).

[som99]

If you take that position, then it's almost as irrelevant to compare MOS and OS4 then, given that the only non-classic system that will run both is the Peg 2 and they aren't new or that easy to find if you are a new user. In that case, you are probably going to be looking at a Sam to run OS4 or a Mac to run MOS. MOS doesn't run on the SAM and OS4 doesn't run on the Mac (well, you can just about boot it if you know what you are doing).

Well I ment more powerfull hardware then the classic Amigas, not any specific hardware in mind, but feels a bit unfair to compare OS9.3 on a PPC Amiga with a faster OS on much faster hardware.

No, he asked about OS4, period. He didn't ask about alternatives and he didn't ask about hardware either (he opened a separate thread for that).

Then my bad, but still its a good way to compare 2 OSes with eachother as I said before.

I think it's the most logical comparison to make. You need to know what benefits your next OS (plus whatever hardware it needs to run) is going to give you over your existing one.

Thats true, but still comparison between MorphOS and OS4 is important to, as I have written in previous posts.

[som99]

@som99
I also agree that comparisons "CAN" be constructive but as you probably know by now, they often and up not being so (hence the need for impartial people, but where do we find such people in Amiga land? :lol:).

Well I for one got some good information about both OSes in this thread, since im soon a MorphOS user and later on in the future will give OS4 a try I felt some of the information here was constructive

[takemehomegrandma]

The best measuring stick happens to be... MorphOS. I only see it as natural that such threads as this would include discussion about how OS4 compares to MorphOS.

I agree with Piru, comparing OS4 with MorphOS is a good way to get both OSes pros and cons.

+1

And as it turns out, OS4 nothing more than a MorphOS wannabe that in just about any point of measurement is inferior to MorphOS; OS4 has been struggling in its footsteps, far, far behind since its very beginning, and since it doesn't offer much (anything at all?) beyond MorphOS, I actually fail to see a rational reason for it to exist at all. But everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

So if someone asks a question about what merits OS4 have, then it's only natural that the better alternative is mentioned as well. MorphOS is the best measuring stick to OS4's capabilities. And MorphOS is everything OS4 is, but has a *much* lower system cost, better performance, better features, better Amiga compatibility and faster hardware that is *mainstream* and easily obtainable from everywhere, and you can download the full MorphOS 2.5 OS for free and try it out yourself on the closest Mac Mini or eMac and see for yourself before you buy. My advice to runequester was that if he really wants to know the "fun" stuff about OS4 he should buy some compatible HW and OS4 and try it out for himself. That's the only way. Maybe he likes it, maybe he don't. But since we are talking about an investment of €800+, it would be *close to criminal* to withhold the information that there is another option that is actually faster, better, cheaper than that, yet so much more capable.

Anyone interested in a "NG" option deserves to get info on all relevant options.

[Piru]

http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_vs_morphos23.php is pretty good comparison I'd say. Running on the same HW and all.

[Varthall]

@all

From runequester post:

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return the conversation to OS 4 ?

Varthall

[Karlos]

Well I ment more powerfull hardware then the classic Amigas, not any specific hardware in mind, but feels a bit unfair to compare OS9.3 on a PPC Amiga with a faster OS on much faster hardware.

You mean compare OS3.9 on a classic Amiga (which may or may not have a PPC) with OS4/MOS on more powerful hardware, surely?

One of the main factors in getting MOS or OS4 in the first place is that it runs on faster hardware and allows your old applications (at least the system friendly ones) to take advantage of that performance increase.

I don't think anybody ever bought either solely because they thought the icons looked better than they do in 3.9 or that solid window dragging is smoother. And if they did, well frankly, they're a bit silly.

[Karlos]

@tmhg

You seem to be unaware (which is odd, since you posted in it too) of the fact that the original poster already opened a very similar thread not too long ago, asking specifically about MorphOS on the mac mini. The benefits of the combination were discussed there: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50993

Since he's now asking about OS4, does he need to hear them all again?

-edit-

Also notice how the "pro OS4" crowd didn't wade in and derail the thread. The only time it came up is when the OP asked what MorphOS does that OS4 doesn't. Bit of a shame that some of the "pro MOS" crowd didn't extend the same basic courtesy here really.

Even when the OP states he doesn't want to discuss it here, some still can't drop it.

[DAX]

@all

From runequester post:
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return  the conversation to OS 4 ?                      

Varthall

It would seem it's hard to get...

Anyone interested in a "NG" option deserves to get info on all relevant  options.       

yes specially after runequester post quoted above...

[halvliter'n]

MorphOS users are just as the aggressive sellers running along the streets and selling fake or stolen goods.

[som99]

You mean compare OS3.9 on a classic Amiga (which may or may not have a PPC) with OS4/MOS on more powerful hardware, surely?

One of the main factors in getting MOS or OS4 in the first place is that it runs on faster hardware and allows your old applications (at least the system friendly ones) to take advantage of that performance increase.

I don't think anybody ever bought either solely because they thought the icons looked better than they do in 3.9 or that solid window dragging is smoother. And if they did, well frankly, they're a bit silly.

Now you got me wrong again. There is so much more new stuff you can do with the faster hardware and OS4 and MorphOS and that is something worth pointing out, then ofc we should not forget compability with the older OSes.
But im not talking about the apperance of any of the OSes, thats worth nothing for me in overall but of course its nice to look at, but not a selling point for me atleast.

[Varthall]

It would seem it's hard to get...

What's worse is that, for some unknown reason, some people interpret that as "the OS4 crowd does not want to hear any negative opinion about their system", which is NOT the case here. Pro's and con's *must* be discussed about any system to get a balanced view on a platform, but the point is that OP isn't interested to hear them in *this* thread. And, in my opinion, generally if you want to make an overview about a system, you should describe both pro's and con's about it, not to carefully choose only the con's as Crumb did. Which, I repeat, does not mean that someone would not want to hear negative opinions.

Varthall

[Akiko]

I would probably be running MorphOS before now along side my other Amigas, but this constant hijacking of threads and the negitive and nasty sales tactics from some of it's supporters means it's doubtful I would touch it.