How is OS4 ?

[Varthall]

Out of interest, what is it? :-)

Downloading videos and MP3s from various sites which weren't supported by ClipDown, which uses GetVideo. I hope to make also the on-fly conversion to mp3 via mencoder/ffmpeg work, which would be VERY handy, although I could probably do the latter via an arexx script.
Another useful plugin is DownThemAll, which automatically downloads all the links available in a page with the possibility to select a filter on the type of the linked files. I got this add-on almost working in Timberwolf, too.

Varthall

[Varthall]

That's basically what something like getvideo does. And getvideo can be integrated very easily to OWB in contextmenus.

Only that getvideo doesn't support the sites I need. And no, I'm not talking about porn sites, btw there's also an option to filter them out, activated by default

Varthall

[Varthall]

I use Iceweasel on Debian GNU/Linux and Firefox on Mac OS X daily. There are no extensions that I'd need for the OWB. The most important extensions (adblock, web inspector, greasemonkey) are already covered. Obviously this is personal taste and need, there's no denying that Firefox has an extensive add-on library. I just can't think of any of them I'd need desperately.

I agree with that. What Crumb said is that no-one would ever find the actual version of Timberwolf to be usable, and I wanted to correct him.

Then again OS4 Timberwolf requires some work to be actually useful as the daily browser. And even if it does reach maturity at some point it still lacks basic features such as flash.

Meanwhile MorphOS users can enjoy full experience with a mature OWB browser, with flash and well working html5. So in that sense MorphOS still reigns, regardless of the Timberwolf alpha.

That is of course true. The point was that Timberwolf can be already seen as an advantage to OWB by some, and the number will probably grow the more it will mature.

Varthall

[Karlos]

In the final analysis, it's always nice to have a choice. People prefer one browser over another for all kinds of reasons, so having more browsers to choose from can't be a bad thing.

[Varthall]

If you're ready to discuss pro's, then you should also be ready to discuss con's.

And that's different to what Crumb has done. He has been discussing only the con's regarding OS4, avoiding any mention of any pro. Regardless of how many pro's or con's a system has, you should always provide both to a person who'd like info about it, and leave to him to decide whetever they fit his needs or not.

But perhaps it's best to not make any comparisons at this point and wait with highlighting benefits and disadvantages until the software is here in a *release version*, when we *can actually see* what's *really* on the table?

I have already something useful on the table, so I don't understand why I should not talk about this.

What you really are doing isn't praising Timberwolf, you are voicing frustration about the extremely poor web browser situation you had to live with for so long on OS4.

That do you imply that I'm really that frustrated by the browser situation? If for instance there would have been no browser available for OS4, I'd use my PC to do it, not an ideal solution but certainly not a reason to not use my AmigaOne for coding, which is my main use.

 Fact is there is nothing special about Timberwolf alpha worth praising, it merely aims to come close to what everyone only takes for granted in 2010, nothing more, nothing less.

Fact is that I don't take granted for anything on the OS4, knowing well how small is its userbase, so every new stuff that enables me to do stuff which was previously impossible on OS4 is worth praising. Unless you think that since my needs and views are too different from the mass I should not have the right to write how I appreciate every thing that I find to be useful.

Varthall

[gazgod]

@tmhg

I thought the slowest Sam ran at ~400MHz ish?

@Karlos

No they just feel like it

[kolla]

That comment is as constructive as this comment. Surley you could go a bit deeper than using "Blows" as an statement of a OS? But what do I know...

My comment was as constructive as the rest - that was my point. Every time OS4 is mentioned, some jackass just has to bring up MorphOS, and tada... yet another silly OS4 vs. MorphOS thread. For that MorphOS blows. If you want I can also list up techical reasons, but why bother.

[Karlos]

@Karlos

No they just feel like it

No, seriously. I'm sure some of the first machines were 400MHz. I could be wrong.

[som99]

My comment was as constructive as the rest - that was my point. Every time OS4 is mentioned, some jackass just has to bring up MorphOS, and tada... yet another silly OS4 vs. MorphOS thread. For that MorphOS blows. If you want I can also list up techical reasons, but why bother.

I would actually like some technical reasons
But I do now understand your point.

Peace

[som99]

No, seriously. I'm sure some of the first machines were 400MHz. I could be wrong.

Yes there where 400MHz 440ep's So your right!

[DAX]

@Crumb
What you did here was shameless spam. And the thread starter post that clarify he has no interest in MOS underline that even more.

What you fail to understand is that most new users coming back (like myself) do it for passion not for Price/Features/ ratios, we all have a PC or MAC and are willing to wait for advanced feature to be added to AmigaOS now that is finally free to run.

People like me (back-comers from the commodore days) think of Amiga as the one and only Official Amiga Operative System running on custom computers specifically made for it,  not as an unofficial hermit crab that fits inside dead shells, the latter might be interesting only to old timers that followed its development, to me (and other new comers) it means nothing.

I'm not the guy that goes spamming inside MOS threads, and nowadays no AmigaOS supporter does that (I repeat, nowadays) I wonder when  you (and a couple of others) are gonna return the favor...

[DAX]

@runequester

from those who use it, or have in the past, how is amiga OS4 ?

Whats cool and fun ?

Now back on topic: we have almost the same classic gear (I have and expanded A2000 and to play AGA games I got a CD32 but let me tell you after I got my SamFlex I never switched on my A2000 (upgraded to OS3.9BB2) ever again.

Last year I was pondering about getting a 060 accelerator as GVP was about to put some back in production (they got them out a couple of weeks ago though...) but then I visited PianetaAmiga2009 (an Amiga exlusive computer fair, 14th edition if I recall correctly) and saw a preview of AmigaOS4.1 Update 1 + Blender and Gnash. For the latter AFX group was present, i sat with him (very nice guy) and he showed me a ton of Flash content he had downloaded (and some streaming videos), running pretty nicely on his G4 AmigaOne, you can check some screen shots here.

Fast forward to November and instead of a 060 accelerator i bought a SamFlex system, here is how my desktop looks:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6856/dax411.jpg

My classic graphics software such as Lightwave 5 and TV paint 3.6, all work (directly) way faster than they did on my classic machine (although I now use Blender for 3D), and thanks to a utility called "RunInUae" I get OCS integration inside Workbench.
The latter is totally seamless and you can bring all your classic content in, even WHDLoads or standard hard drive installations, you double click the icons, and they start full screen (or windowed depends on your settings), and if you follow my tips HERE you can also get native Amiga video output (just add a competition pro and you are ready to go).

The thing that excites me the most though is that this is just the beginning, Amiga is re-starting after the Ainc-Hyperion settlement, new HW, OS Updates, new software are just the norm these days, if you are anything like me (Amiga background I mean) you're gonna love your new AmigaOS system, no doubts about it.

[Piru]

What you fail to understand is that most new users coming back (like myself) do it for passion not for Price/Features/ ratios

People like me (back-comers from the commodore days) think of Amiga as the one and only Official Amiga Operative System running on custom computers specifically made for it

Speak for yourself. I very much doubt you're the template of most back-comers. With attitude like that there would be no OS4 today at all.

I'd say most potential newcomes/back-comers have an open mind and are willing to look beyond the narrow scope of The Official Solution(TM). Amiga.org is a forum where all platforms are given equal chance.

I do think that this thread has gone a bit off topic though, but IMHO incorrect or inaccurate statements need to be corrected regardless of the original topic.

[Gulliver]

@DAX

Spam?

Are you kidding? A SAM and OS4 has nothing to do with an Amiga except the OS trademark name, but only that. OS4 is like a bad song remake, it may sound similar, but it is not the original.
The Amiga has long been dead since 1994, get over it!

If you have been brainwashed by some marketing gimmick about the SAM and OS4 being an Amiga dont blame others. At least MorphOS people have the decency not to pretend being something they are not, and they moved forward by providing a better OS in many aspects than the Amiga had ever had. I respect them for that.

And speaking about dead shells, let me quote this from Scala's CEO who was once the V.P. of Engineering at Commodore.

..."I was a manufacturing engineer at Commodore--I have personally had
phyical contact with every single A4000T Commodore ever built! [and worked
as a Consultant to Escom for their A1200/A4000T production run...]
[]
The Amiga is over. What is currently calling it self and Amiga is
nothing but a releatively standard PowerPC Reference Platform and some
software written by some old fans of the Amiga and being marketed by five
former Amiga Dealers/Commodore Sales-Marketing guys. There is nothing
there that would justify the name--excepting that they are the holders of
the trademarks."...

And then lets also quote Dave Haynie himself:

..."Certainly, Amiga, Inc. can release any AmigaOS they like and call it 4.0 or 15.7690 or "Theodore" if they want to. But there was nothing approaching what a real 4.0 would have been; no work even started on it (it would have been the OS released for AAA support, but AAA was cancelled before this started, and most of the critical people left within six months of that as well)."...

So please get real:
OS4+SAM is as Amiga as MorphOS+Pegasos or AROS+x86 or Amithlon+x86 or UAE+whatever_platform_that_supports_it is.

[DAX]

@Piru
Don't get me wrong, who knows me, knows quite well I post ONLY in OS4 threads (this IS one), and I don't go "convincing" people around MOS or AROS ones (like I see happening here).
If Crumb would have avoided his biased spamming I wouldn't have ever wrote those lines and you would see only my genuine reply to the topic starter.

As for the "speak for yourself" part, try to understand that it is the impression I got from EVERY back comer I met personally or on forums(I only limit myself to those from the Commodore days and that don't know even what MOS or AROS are, like me, they weren't there when they appeared, and they mean nothing to them) and even the thread starter has no interest in MOS.

Generally they are just surprised that Amiga is still going on and want to know about OS4 and new HW.

I might be wrong, and in case you want to introduce me to recent back comers from the Commodore days that don't think of Amiga as something similar to my description, I will be glad to meet them, I just never met them that's all.

[DAX]

@Gulliver
Man you are allucinating, can't you see this guy asked about PPC OS4 (nothing else)? What does it have to do with anything you wrote? (and by the way i look at my Sam as an officially supported mobo, but I think of Amiga only as fully boxed Computers specifically tailored for the Amiga Operative System, such as the X1000).

P.S.
As for what the guy had to say it is basically an outraged brainfart.
Ips change owners, technology has evolved to GP-GPU and many Commodore engineers said AAA was pure cr*ap, too little too late, and about to be changed for off the shelf Accelerators, by the way the same suggestion was given by J.Miner himself in a famous 1992 interview.
There was a paper from commodore engineers describing a new architecture after AAA which is basically what the X1000 is.
Sour grapes that speaks because they no longer count zilch in a project development count less than zero in my book, no matter what position they occupied when the world was flat.