Amiga conspiracies and drama...

[dammy]

@haywirepc

That's the drama so far yes, nice conlcusion.

Regardnig AROS hardware, I hope "some people" realize that those two guys selling AROS hardware actually are contributing more to AROS than "some people" probably ever donated in their lifetime. It's a give and take and to me it seems they've given alot more and I doubt they   yet made one cent profit.

Just wanted to point that out.

As the original hardware guy of AROS, let me explain something.  Without having any OEMs supporting AROS, AROS will have zero chance in having real growth.  This is chicken and egg bit, AROS needs the OEMs as much as it need Devs.  Not all Devs are seeing the fruit yet, well, life is never fair either.  They either need to advertise their talents for pay or deal with it until AROS can grow large enough for paid Devs to become a reality.  I do question how many Devs are not happy with it since they got involved in AROS, a well known open source project, if they had intentions of getting paid for their work in the first place.

Last time I checked, Linus is not getting paid a royalty either by the OEMs.  But he is in a OEMs funded job.

[Manu]

As the original hardware guy of AROS, let me explain something.  Without having any OEMs supporting AROS, AROS will have zero chance in having real growth.  

AROS is having some growth at the moment. "Real growth" can happen when AROS does everything every other OS does but faster or in a more efficient way. Seriously I can't see any of the Amiga systems out there today to have any real growth anytime soon.

For AROS, Imica and Ares is just a common denominator for hardware that runs AROS fine. If that helps attract new devs and users then that's just great. So their efforts fixes the hardware problem part for the moment. What's much needed now is dev.tools that makes programming for AROS easy and good documentation.  If AROS scares away devs as soon as they get it running then that's AROS biggest problem now.

[clusteruk]

What's much needed now is dev.tools that makes programming for AROS easy and good documentation.  If AROS scares away devs as soon as they get it running then that's AROS biggest problem now.

That is where IMICA Ganymede IDE will come in. This will be a very important step in Aros development, but it will also change things, this product is a professional tool for Amiga flavours starting with Aros development to give new developers what they are used too in a Visual Studio kind of way. Syntax Highlighting, Intellisense, true debugging tools break, step, continue and a visual window layout tool as well.

I hope this will be on show in Bletchley.

We will see how developers feel about paying for development tools for Aros, the same costing model as professional tools like Cubic IDE, Hollywood etc.

If Aros wants professional quality tools then there will be a cost involved. You will be able to try this system before you buy it too.

@Trevordick

My poor kids and those medical experiments for money to fund Aros, it really is not on ;-)

@all

In all seriousness however, if you think there is money to be made in Aros right now, think again. None of us make money, however, our aim is to try and make the Amiga market generally more succesful and maybe later make a reasonable profit for our efforts. Remember I have on my site instructions on how to build an IMICA and so it is almost an Open Source hardware project with a we build it for you offer.

Steve

[BigBenAussie]

Commodore USA have started releasing products....and yes.....they are paying royalties for the logo/name while they are in negotiations for a long term agreement.

Commodore USA is the best hope for AROS, and the success and proliferation of any Amiga-like OS, whether you like it or not.

*****IF/WHEN****** AROS becomes a standard fixture on Commodore machines any time soon, I have assurances that Commodore would contribute to the AROS community and fund some further development that will benefit everyone. You will see a snowballing of interest and activity in AROS ****IF/WHEN**** Commodore gets involved.

Commodore USA are for real and are not a scam. Even if the hardware is not for you, they are sure to sell machines in the tens of thousands, and renew interest in an Amiga experience that could spur many great developments for every Amiga-like OS and their vendors. This would be most befitting of the Amiga's 25th Anniversary and I really hope we can get past silly coloured wars and revive a mainstream Amiga experience, which is what we've all been waiting for since Commodore's demise.

[cv643d]

Quite a lot of drama but that does only mean ONE thing, people care about the Amiga still and we can still kill the PC/Apple if things work out the way they should..

If we keep a positive attitutide we can do it!

and yes, my A1200 030 is still faster than my quad kor workstation... (not)

[the_leander]

they are paying royalties for the logo/name while they are in negotiations for a long term agreement.

This'll be interesting to see backed up with evidence.

they are paying royalties for the logo/name
Commodore USA is the best hope for AROS, and the success and proliferation of any Amiga-like OS, whether you like it or not.

Actually I think you'll find that as far as hardware goes, the iMica is far better placed since it uses hardware specifically tailored to best support AROS's somewhat limited driver base. It also has the benefit of not looking like a complete scam.

Commodore USA are for real and are not a scam.

Having seen far too many to recall, and having seen the comparison of some of the text between amongst others, Apple and more recently (and worryingly) Merlancia and AmigaUSA, I have to say I'm deeply sceptical about them. I haven't completely written them off, but it'd be fair to say that they're about a hairs breadth away from that. I imagine I'm not alone in this feeling either.

they are sure to sell machines in the tens of thousands

I'll have whatever you're smoking, clearly that is some potent stuff.

[BigBenAussie]

@the_leander
Here we go again. Fine...we'll wait and see then.

[Piru]

Commodore USA is the best hope for AROS, and the success and proliferation of any Amiga-like OS, whether you like it or not.

The way you keep drumming these things is amazing. Commodore USA couldn't have found a better marketroid.

[haywirepc]

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[the_leander]

@the_leander
Here we go again. Fine...we'll wait and see then.

Assuming that people take your word for it, and it turns out to be another Merlancia. You do realise that as the (unofficial?) face of this shower, you can expect some heinous amounts of flack headed your way if this goes south, right?

[BigBenAussie]

@haywirepc

Do I have to go through this with you every time on every thread?
Honestly, you're such a kill-joy Steven.

[the_leander]

@haywirepc

Do I have to go through this with you every time on every thread?
Honestly, you're such a kill-joy Steven.

That's right, Steven is totally a killjoy for stating the facts as they are known and potentially steering people away from a dubious unknown quantity!

How dare he! Who does he think he is pointing out the truth eh? Next thing you know he'll be mocking you!

[clusteruk]

@haywirepc

Do I have to go through this with you every time on every thread?
Honestly, you're such a kill-joy Steven.

Can I make a small suggestion.

I know you are committed to this, that is evident, but perhaps just hold off the discussions except by email until you are ready to ship. Once you ship it will be evident that all is happening as you said.

I wish you all the best with this project as you can be a customer of my development system and maybe push other new developers into my user base when we ship IMICA Ganymede IDE.

[BigBenAussie]

@clusteruk
Thanks for your advice. You're absolutely right.
I'll just focus on my efforts to get AROS on to Commodore machines, and I can only hope for the best.
There's no point pushing against such negativity until there is visible progress from Commodore USA on that front.

[TheBilgeRat]

Its the new announcement from Commodore Inc on their newest Amiga Rsurrecting product!

Exclusive images here:

[Buzzfuzz]

RHoS

I don't think that's the problem.
They have reworked the Blizzard 1230 IV @ 50Mhz into the E-matrix, which http://www.vesalia.de/e_ematrix1230.htm sells.
 
I'm sure there is a reason for not bringing Cyberstorms, but I would like to hear it from a close source over there @ DCE.