Amiga conspiracies and drama...

[Buzzfuzz]

RHoS

I don't think that's the problem.
They have reworked the Blizzard 1230 IV @ 50Mhz into the E-matrix, which http://www.vesalia.de/e_ematrix1230.htm sells.
 
I'm sure there is a reason for not bringing Cyberstorms, but I would like to hear it from a close source over there @ DCE.

[Amiga_Nut]

I don't believe Amiga will ever become mass market hardware again in any shape or form compared to Wintel PCs or even Macs. Hell look at how many mistakes Apple DON'T make and yet how little inroads they make into the lion's share of the home computer Wintel market or even persuading big companies to develop full price cutting edge games for Intel Macs. What chance has a dead company (Amiga Inc) and another one selling sticky labels for cheap tat running on pathetic Atom CPUs for rebadging purposes got today?

No company interested in becoming a third alternative has the cash to invest in the hardware side, and no company with the financial power (Google, IBM etc) is interested in doing anything via hardware.

I suppose technically it wouldn't be impossible to reverse engineer the basic design of the Xbox 360 motherboard with ATI Xenos GPU and PPC Xenon tri-core CPU with more memory to run a nice OS. Still it isn't going to happen despite the fact that rewriting OS4 for the 360 CPU would be quite trivial technically as it included the standard PPC instruction set already.

Not that anything like that will happen for us.

[Fats]

AROS keeps building, some hw guys decide to cash in on an open source project, angering many in that camp...[1]
 
Some people apparently aren't too happy that after so many people contributed to AROS, that some companies are selling hardware with AROS
installed, making money essentially off of everyone else's hard work, without paying any of the aros developers except those required to finish their hardware projects.

Steven

[1] Citation needed.

I am an AROS developer and follow both the developer list and aros-exec and I don't get the vibe you try to describe. Both ClusterUK and phoenixkonsole are considered part of the AROS community as they are giving back.

greets,
Staf.

[haywirepc]

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[haywirepc]

As far as any Aros drama, perhaps thats just a rumor I heard from a fellow amiga fan.You could certainly see that given the situation, it sounds believable. If that is not the case then I apologise. I know some developers left to start annubis. (drama I forgot to list)

I'm an aros user and fan myself. I may buy an imica myself, but for now I'm fine with my home built box.

Steven

[sledge]

The only nice thing about all this drama about Amiga not getting a new life, is that we've got alot of life in the classic range still. I doubt that anyone would be doing anything with the 68k range of Amiga if we had PPC/Risc Amigas ages ago from Commodore itself.

Nice in one way, since I can still use my old Amiga and enjoy new software and hardware for it. In the other way it's sad that we never had those NG Amigas from Commodore....

[saimon69]

I honestly thing that if commodore USA want to look serious in their development and in bundling AROS, should invest like clusterUK and phoenixkonsole did, in funding bounties and coding of the drivers they need to bundle AROS effectively with their machines, as in the give and take relationship between vendor and developer that come out in the AROS community.

Saimon69

[Fats]

I know some developers left to start annubis. (drama I forgot to list)

Steven

Yes, but that was because some people did not like the (lack of) project management of AROS (no schedule and rockin') and the source code compatibility requirement with AOS3.x of AROS.

greets,
Staf.

[Belial6]

I think that clusterUK is on the right path.  The necessary pieces are:

Standard PC hardware.  As much as the specialized hardware was great for it's day, standard PCs have that now, and the only reason not to use the economies that the PC brings is to be different for difference sake, even if that means a lower quality product.

UAE integration.  A large faction, understandably so, will only consider a new system an 'Amiga' if it is backward compatible to the A500.  I don't know if I would go that far, but it is a requirement to get me to dedicate hardware to it.

Catweasal integration.  Looks like this is on the brink.  Being able to read and write actual Amiga disks IS part of being backward compatible, and is a key feature that makes the emulation look and feel native.

AROS for 68k.  Ok, ClusterUK hasn't taken this on yet, but baring some bizarre rip in the space time continuum that makes all of the Kickstarts freely distributable, Kickstart for the 68k is going to have to be tackled eventually for backwards compatibility to be taken seriously.  Today, it requires purchasing a separate product, or finding an illegal copy on the internet.  While neither is difficult, it does prevent a freely distributable out of the box solution.  Given how much trouble proprietary solutions on the Amiga have cause, this seems like a problem to me.

Getting UAE to be 100% compatible.  Inevitable.  If people use it, eventually all of the compatibility from WinUAE will be added to UAE.

Trademark.  Either the Amiga name needs to be secured, or AROS needs to replace Amiga as the name of the platform, and the name Amiga needs to be seen by the community as a subset of AROS.  Getting AROS for 68k working so that all of the MiniMigs could be shipped with AROS pre-installed would go a long way in that.

Once those things happen, I would say that AROS was THE new Amiga.

Doing all the same things to get C64 software running seamlessly on the same machine would take it to another level yet.

[clusteruk]

I think that clusterUK is on the right path.  The necessary pieces are:
Doing all the same things to get C64 software running seamlessly on the same machine would take it to another level yet.

Interestingly, the Catweasel driver for Aros that I sponsored from Ian Gledhill can now read C64 5.25" disk if you have a 5.25" pc drive. Plus it will read Macintosh floppy disk if you have a 3.5" drive.

The only problem is that Catweasel is quite expensive but for those that can afford it is great.

[redrumloa]

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