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Re: Brand-New Deneb - Trident errors out...
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 21, 2010, 04:55:36 PM »
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About Deneb install: remember to install fat95, the most important file is "fat95" handler that should be kept in SYS:L/

And please use the provided installer script for fat95 instead of manually copying it, otherwise I will probably see people wondering about german error messages, which I am not responsible for :-P

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Here you have some extra usb-ethernet drivers for Poseidon (may be outdated by Poseidonv4.4 so unpack them just in case your usb-ethernet adapter is not supported)  http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/rtl8150eth

Indeed this driver is already included in the latest Poseidon V4.4 release.

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Here you have Luciferin4.1, handle it with care: http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/Luciferin.lha

Note well that Luciferin also requires Luciferin, but can also do basic FlashRom modifications from a shell command line.

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PS: Since you are transfering files some 3rd party MUI classes (also known as MCCs) may be handy for some programs like NList, Betterstring, Texteditor... these can be downloaded from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=mcc

Note that no part of Poseidon or Luciferin will require third party MUI classes though.
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Re: Brand-New Deneb - Trident errors out...
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »
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Excuse me for stating the obvious - but MUI and ANY other necessary programs, should be included with Deneb [...]


The main problem that has led the amiga into problems was that the gaming and app industry in the late 90ies still wrote games for unexpanded Amigas without faster CPU or graphic boards and RAM. As well noticed, the product description says: "comfortable control of USB stack by GUI (MUI) ". While it is not *necessary* for the product to work, because it nicely can be run from command line, too, I definetely see MUI as one of the GUI toolkit standards, if not THE toolkit standard, available for the Amiga for more than 15 years. There are thousands of Apps on Aminet using MUI and most don't even notice this fact in their descriptions. In fact, Poseidon would never have had any GUI that would resemble anything like it has now if it hadn't be for MUI.

Sorry, but somewhere the reasoning has to stop. And as such, I never would have considered and still don't consider including the MUI package in a Poseidon or Deneb software distribution. You might have noticed that the installer disk image for the Deneb is 99% full. The installer disk of the Subway is 100% full, also using tricks like hard links to drawer icons to squeeze a one or two kilobytes out, or removing all comments and surplus spaces from the installer script, just to have enough space for a new class or feature.

If we had used CDs, people probably would whine about not having a CD drive. Or have broken filesystems. Or whatever.

The requirements for Poseidon are always stated with a 68030+ CPU. Although it will actually run fine on a 68020. But those people usually don't have a fast ram expansions. Last month we had somebody trying to use Poseidon on a 2 MB total ram machine. That's freaky!

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MUI? Magic User Interface?? First time I heard of that (early 2000's), I thought WTF? A program that sorta/kinda replaces Amiga GUI/Intuition or whatever - that seemingly does nothing different, takes forever to load and utilizes a squished screenmode.


Or, you could read the fine manual. MUI provides font sensitive, fully customizable, auto-layouting user interfaced with enhanced GUI elements, easily expandable by object oriented custom classes. And for developers, this easy-to-use GUI toolkit is *unmatched* on *any* operating system or platform so far. Not by qt, surely not swing, not RCP, not cocoa etc...

It's okay that you never heard of MUI, but then not really informing yourself and rather posting phrases like the ones above, somewhat disqualifies you, which I think, is a bit sad.
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Re: Brand-New Deneb - Trident errors out...
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2010, 05:39:00 PM »
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It's okay that you never heard of MUI, but then not really informing yourself and rather posting phrases like the ones above, somewhat disqualifies you, which I think, is a bit sad.
Great write up as usual Chris, but the phrase you're talking about was to be taken in the context of my thoughts, the very first time I was exposed to MUI. After taking a long sabbatical from Amiga, coming back and using OS3.5/3.9 in the early 2000's, I was initially surprised to see there was such an "add on" or replacement GUI toolkit instead of utilizing pull down windows or config screens natively in Workbench or a given programs own windows or config screen. As a user that was used to programs that were shipped either complete with all necessary files or just plain worked back in the ≤OS3.1 days, I come back to discover that *AFTER* I purchased and installed OS3.9, that you still have to hunt and peck for all these extra files, programs, libs, classes, plug-ins, whatever - before you can even install some of these other 3rd party programs that were written before 3.9 was released. YAM for instance. Makes sense why you might need to add new libs & classes for stuff released afterwards and that's part of the Amiga experience we all know and 'love'.  :)
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Re: Brand-New Deneb - Trident errors out...
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2010, 06:14:18 PM »
nevermind... :)
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