Brand-New Deneb - Trident errors out...

[Crumb]

MUI? Magic User Interface?? First time I heard of that (early 2000's), I thought WTF? A program that sorta/kinda replaces Amiga GUI/Intuition or whatever - that seemingly does nothing different, takes forever to load and utilizes a squished screenmode. Great. I still don't understand why Trident *needs* this program in order to run - but I'm sure there's a good explanation - there always is.  lol

You had not hear about MUI until 2000? Were you hidding behind a rock? And what programs did you use in 2000 to connect to internet? Almost all Amiga internet software uses and used MUI. Didn't you use Miami, YAM, IBrowse, AmIRC, Amster (napster)...?

I guess you would also complain when a program required bgui, gtlayout, classact or any 3rd party library.

MUI is not a "program", it's a set of libraries and classes that allow Amiga coders to produce decent GUIs, something very difficult with crappy gadtools or other primitive graphic toolkits.

Have you ever tried out MUI examples? You have all kind of different classes, you have drag'n'drop everywhere and it's a pleasure from a programmer user point. You can set per-application preferences depending on the preferences you want

IIRC MUI3.8 is even included with AmigaOS3.9 as contribution.

BTW, MUI is not slow, try to build similar complex interfaces with Reaction and you will notice it. People who claim MUI is slow usually fill every gui element with textures and later complain about slowness.

[save2600]

You had not hear about MUI until 2000? Were you hidding behind a rock? And what programs did you use in 2000 to connect to internet? Almost all Amiga internet software uses and used MUI. Didn't you use Miami, YAM, IBrowse, AmIRC, Amster (napster)...?

Nope, never used any of this stuff until the early to mid 2000's on an Amiga. I took a long reprieve doing anything "serious" on the Amiga starting in the early 90's when I was seduced by the 386's, 486's and eventually the 586's & AMDK6 of the time - so I totally missed out on all these new libs, plug-ins, etc.

I guess you would also complain when a program required bgui, gtlayout, classact or any 3rd party library.

At one time, of course! lol  First time you have to go searching all over creation in order to get someone else's program to work, it's definitely an exercise! But that's become expected in the world of Amiga.

MUI is not a "program", it's a set of libraries and classes that allow Amiga coders to produce decent GUIs, something very difficult with crappy gadtools or other primitive graphic toolkits.

Have you ever tried out MUI examples? You have all kind of different classes, you have drag'n'drop everywhere and it's a pleasure from a programmer user point. You can set per-application preferences depending on the preferences you want

IIRC MUI3.8 is even included with AmigaOS3.9 as contribution.

BTW, MUI is not slow, try to build similar complex interfaces with Reaction and you will notice it. People who claim MUI is slow usually fill every gui element with textures and later complain about slowness.

Thanks for the explanations. I guess I get some of what MUI is supposed to be about (standardization and simplicity for programmers/end users), but am still "sticker shocked" when I see all the options available for some of these programs. I bet it's great from a programmers or developers point of view, but for an end user that was used to how most OS1.3-3.1 programs handled themselves, MUI at times seems to be "too much", too feature ridden almost.

And the slowness thing, no... always just use the plain and simple grey backgrounds. No fancy graphics and textures.

[outlawal2]

I am a bit frustrated at where this thread has gone...  I was simply asking for some help with an issue that I am having with the Deneb board...  Now 2 pages of responses later there are comments like "Uninformed drivel" and "where have you been under a rock?"

No I haven't been under a rock, I have spent the last 20 years making my living supporting PC's, Servers, MACS and other various equipment.  I asked a simple question on this forum because the folks here are knowledgeable and I have been out of the Amiga scene basically since 1992 or so...  So give me a break here...

Also, someone mentioned that they thought MUI was on the 3.9 CD...  I searched for it on the CD and could not locate it.  (that certainly may be my issue, but the fact remains I can't find it.) I will take a look again this evening...

For those that are attempting to help I really appreciate it!  For the rest that seem bent on pointing out my obvious ignorance...  I am already painfully aware, that is why I am here... So please save the insults as I am not interested...

I ask now for everyone to please take a deep breath and please stop taking offense, and please stop offending...  I am just looking for some guidance here..

Thanks!

[save2600]

Partly my fault - sorry. Even though you took offense to some of those comments, they were directed at me. I can be abrasive sometimes, phrase things poorly and (usually) accidentally offend. A lot of the guys here are pretty passionate and understandably, so are the developers  

[wawrzon]

@outlawal2: dont bother. remeber this is a little world and not everything is as polished. you could even have more problem installing poseidon tools on a pure aga setup since the windows do not fit on standard noninterlaced screen, but nothing is impossible to solve. even if not exactly every case is foreseen deneb is a great product, i couldnt live without it anymore, imagine swapping floppies or burning cds everytime i need to exchange some mb of data with my pc which happens all the time. so, does evertyhing work yet?

[Gulliver]

Also, someone mentioned that they thought MUI was on the 3.9 CD...  I searched for it on the CD and could not locate it.  (that certainly may be my issue, but the fact remains I can't find it.) I will take a look again this evening...

MUI is not on the AmigaOS 3.9 cdrom. If you are really stuck, I can send you free of any charge, a cdrom with a copy of mui. The only issue is that it will take from 10 to 20 days to arrive to you.
If you have a MAC or a PC near you with a cdwriter, you can even create the cdrom by yourself, and I can help you to get the needed files.

Just let me know!

[Crumb]

I am a bit frustrated at where this thread has gone...  I was simply asking for some help with an issue that I am having with the Deneb board...  Now 2 pages of responses later there are comments like "Uninformed drivel" and "where have you been under a rock?"

No I haven't been under a rock, I have spent the last 20 years making my living supporting PC's, Servers, MACS and other various equipment.  I asked a simple question on this forum because the folks here are knowledgeable and I have been out of the Amiga scene basically since 1992 or so...  So give me a break here...

Also, someone mentioned that they thought MUI was on the 3.9 CD...  I searched for it on the CD and could not locate it.  (that certainly may be my issue, but the fact remains I can't find it.) I will take a look again this evening...

For those that are attempting to help I really appreciate it!  For the rest that seem bent on pointing out my obvious ignorance...  I am already painfully aware, that is why I am here... So please save the insults as I am not interested...

I ask now for everyone to please take a deep breath and please stop taking offense, and please stop offending...  I am just looking for some guidance here..

Thanks!

Sorry, I thought it was in the contributions directory like Picasso96.
You can download MUI 3.8 here: http://aminet.net/util/libs/mui38usr.lha

About Deneb install: remember to install fat95, the most important file is "fat95" handler that should be kept in SYS:L/

You could also install 3rd party filesystems from Marek Szyprowski to be able to read NTFS HDs http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/ntfs_0.9

Remember to download Poseidonv4.4 too http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/PoseidonV4.lha

Here you have some extra usb-ethernet drivers for Poseidon (may be outdated by Poseidonv4.4 so unpack them just in case your usb-ethernet adapter is not supported)  http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/rtl8150eth

Here you have Luciferin4.1, handle it with care: http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/Luciferin.lha




PS: Since you are transfering files some 3rd party MUI classes (also known as MCCs) may be handy for some programs like NList, Betterstring, Texteditor... these can be downloaded from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=mcc

IBrowse is one of the best browsers for OS3.x and uses MUI: http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/

[outlawal2]

MUI is not on the AmigaOS 3.9 cdrom. If you are really stuck, I can send you free of any charge, a cdrom with a copy of mui. The only issue is that it will take from 10 to 20 days to arrive to you.
If you have a MAC or a PC near you with a cdwriter, you can even create the cdrom by yourself, and I can help you to get the needed files.

Just let me know!

If you know where I can find MUI online (Other than the aminet link listed) I would appreciate it.  I downloaded the aminet file and unpacked it, burned it to a CD and when I tried to install it errored out with a line 299 error..  I tried unpacking, burning again on a completely different machine and still got the same error..  Sooo, 2 coasters later I am still stuck.. LOL  

I also tried the MUI homepage and nearly all of the links fail, but 2 of them appear to work but then ask for a password..   Grrr...

[outlawal2]

Sorry, I thought it was in the contributions directory like Picasso96.
You can download MUI 3.8 here: http://aminet.net/util/libs/mui38usr.lha

About Deneb install: remember to install fat95, the most important file is "fat95" handler that should be kept in SYS:L/

You could also install 3rd party filesystems from Marek Szyprowski to be able to read NTFS HDs http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/ntfs_0.9

Remember to download Poseidonv4.4 too http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/PoseidonV4.lha

Here you have some extra usb-ethernet drivers for Poseidon (may be outdated by Poseidonv4.4 so unpack them just in case your usb-ethernet adapter is not supported)  http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/rtl8150eth

Here you have Luciferin4.1, handle it with care: http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/Luciferin.lha




PS: Since you are transfering files some 3rd party MUI classes (also known as MCCs) may be handy for some programs like NList, Betterstring, Texteditor... these can be downloaded from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=mcc

IBrowse is one of the best browsers for OS3.x and uses MUI: http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/

Great info THANK YOU!

[mongo]

If you know where I can find MUI online (Other than the aminet link listed) I would appreciate it.  I downloaded the aminet file and unpacked it, burned it to a CD and when I tried to install it errored out with a line 299 error..  I tried unpacking, burning again on a completely different machine and still got the same error..  Sooo, 2 coasters later I am still stuck.. LOL  

I also tried the MUI homepage and nearly all of the links fail, but 2 of them appear to work but then ask for a password..   Grrr...

Unpack it on your Amiga, not on your PC.

[save2600]

Unpack it on your Amiga, not on your PC.

...and if it fails to install or work after that, be prepared to start messing with protection bits. Many times, these need to be enabled or checked before you can execute a file or install a program. Typical Amiga downloading fare.

[outlawal2]

Unpack it on your Amiga, not on your PC.

Tried unpacking on 2 separate PC's.. No dice..  And then burned the file directory to CD and unpacked it on the Amiga itself.  Still failed with the same error in line 299...

[zipper]

Check your version of C:Installer - an old tends to throw out such error messages.
At least http://main.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/misc/Installer-43_3.lha or newer is OK.

[Crumb]

Tried unpacking on 2 separate PC's.. No dice..  And then burned the file directory to CD and unpacked it on the Amiga itself.  Still failed with the same error in line 299...

WinRAR can unpack LHA files more or less correctly (minus protection bits IIRC). As save2600 has commented other OSes have tendency to screw Amiga apps protection bits so unpack your Amiga stuff on your Amiga. If you insist on unpacking the files using PC then you may have to use "protect" amiga command to give the right flags to the file. Anyway that doesn't matter because you should unpack the files on your miggy. Update the installer as Zipper commented :-)

[platon42]

Tried unpacking on 2 separate PC's.. No dice..  And then burned the file directory to CD and unpacked it on the Amiga itself.  Still failed with the same error in line 299...

The MUI archive contains a file with a "smily" icon and a filename merely consisting of a space (" "). Some unpackers (AFAIR the ones supplied with OS >=3.5) will NOT unpack this file causing the installer to fail. If you have that problem, use the normal lha-tool from the Aminet via a standard shell prompt.

[platon42]

About Deneb install: remember to install fat95, the most important file is "fat95" handler that should be kept in SYS:L/

And please use the provided installer script for fat95 instead of manually copying it, otherwise I will probably see people wondering about german error messages, which I am not responsible for :-P

Here you have some extra usb-ethernet drivers for Poseidon (may be outdated by Poseidonv4.4 so unpack them just in case your usb-ethernet adapter is not supported)  http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/rtl8150eth

Indeed this driver is already included in the latest Poseidon V4.4 release.

Here you have Luciferin4.1, handle it with care: http://www.platon42.de/files/usb/Luciferin.lha

Note well that Luciferin also requires Luciferin, but can also do basic FlashRom modifications from a shell command line.

PS: Since you are transfering files some 3rd party MUI classes (also known as MCCs) may be handy for some programs like NList, Betterstring, Texteditor... these can be downloaded from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=mcc

Note that no part of Poseidon or Luciferin will require third party MUI classes though.