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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #89 from previous page: September 01, 2011, 10:54:02 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;657370
Since we are reviving this thread, some handy tips (posting from lunchtime at work, so no pics):

When editing/processing 8-bit samples in the sample editor:

1) Convert the sample directly to 16-bit format via the instrument type window.
2) Switch to mix mode, if not already using it, so that you can replay the sample whilst it is 16-bits.
3) Remove any DC bias via the DC offset adjust tool and tell it to calculate the bias for you.
4) If the sample was originally a fairly low sample rate to start off with, use the octave down shift to change the sample rate. Each time you do this, you double the rate. If you want to preserve the aliased sound, do it without any smoothing enabled.

You now have a 16-bit representation of your original sample at a higher rate. Any effects processing you do on it, such as filtering, fading or brightening will be performed at much greater precision. Once you are done, save the 16-bit version off somewhere, in case you need it again.

5) Use the octave up shift to convert the sound back to the original rate (if you wish to do so, you might be happy at the rate it is).

6) Convert back to 8-bit (unless you want to keep it 16-bit and use mix mode).

In my experience this always produces significantly better results than editing sounds in 8-bit mode.

Synthsounds as samples:

The synthsound editor works in mix mode. So, you can create some very complex arrangement of synthsound layering over several channels to produce a fat, rich sound. You might choose to construct a block playing the same sound over a few octaves.

Now, switch to mix mode (if not already) and choose Disk 16-bit. You now have that sound as a 16-bit sample for using without the associated CPU load later.

Great tips Karlos!

Just thought I would quote them and give thanks to bump the tips back to the top of the thread and front page.  This kind of stuff is very helpful to people like me that have little to no experience with editing samples, or original works.
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2011, 01:47:05 AM »
I'll fire it up this weekend and post back on that. There are a couple of things that cause a total system lock every time. It's a pretty vanilla OS 4 install so I think it's related to SS.


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Probably worth making a note of them. I didn't come across anything so far, but I've hardly scratched the surface of OMSS on OS4 compared to OMSS on OS3.x...
 

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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #91 on: September 02, 2011, 05:48:01 AM »
I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to when it comes to continuing to use a music creation system that works for them or that they love. Many guys are still using atari st's with cubase. (I know a few who still swear by it for rock solid midi sequencing)
 
You guys still using oss. Me? I was originally a protracker guy then moved to being a fasttracker II guy (to get 16 bit and 32 channels I had to switch to pc at that time) I have a collection of older pcs and sb16 soundcards just so I'll always be able to use ft2. Works in dosbox now with xp/vista, but its just not the same. I run it on windows 98 on older pcs which also run audio editors that will work with older windows.
 
I've used oss but not so much. This thread makes me want to try it out more...
 
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #92 on: September 02, 2011, 10:02:39 AM »
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I'll fire it up this weekend and post back on that. There are a couple of things that cause a total system lock every time. It's a pretty vanilla OS 4 install so I think it's related to SS.


Great, I'll see if I can reproduce them. I should be updating to update 3 sometime over the weekend and we can see if it has any effect.
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #93 on: September 02, 2011, 01:08:09 PM »
I use Logic for almost everything these days but I go back to SS from time to time because it's just a whole other style of making a tune. Everything is more handmade in a tracker which makes for better creativity sometimes.


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I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to when it comes to continuing to use a music creation system that works for them or that they love. Many guys are still using atari st's with cubase. (I know a few who still swear by it for rock solid midi sequencing)
 
You guys still using oss. Me? I was originally a protracker guy then moved to being a fasttracker II guy (to get 16 bit and 32 channels I had to switch to pc at that time) I have a collection of older pcs and sb16 soundcards just so I'll always be able to use ft2. Works in dosbox now with xp/vista, but its just not the same. I run it on windows 98 on older pcs which also run audio editors that will work with older windows.
 
I've used oss but not so much. This thread makes me want to try it out more...
 
Steven
 

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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #94 on: September 02, 2011, 07:06:17 PM »
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I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to when it comes to continuing to use a music creation system that works for them or that they love. Many guys are still using atari st's with cubase. (I know a few who still swear by it for rock solid midi sequencing)


I'm a hobbyist musician. Investing in something more professional isn't really required.

Having said that, I've used "modern" packages before and whilst they are probably the bees knees for professional musicians, I found them a bit tiresome to use. There's something about the raw simplicity of the tracker that appeals to my developer side I guess.
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #95 on: September 02, 2011, 08:10:45 PM »
Maybe its just years of use, but I will always prefer tracker to piano roll...
 

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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #96 on: September 02, 2011, 10:37:25 PM »
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I'm a hobbyist musician. Investing in something more professional isn't really required.

Having said that, I've used "modern" packages before and whilst they are probably the bees knees for professional musicians, I found them a bit tiresome to use. There's something about the raw simplicity of the tracker that appeals to my developer side I guess.




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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #97 on: September 03, 2011, 01:50:14 AM »
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #98 on: September 03, 2011, 11:03:42 AM »
Another tip, for production.

You've spent a while creating your 32 channel module and want to render it to disk so that you can convert it for your .

Unless you are using RTG or a high scan rate native resolution, the chances are you've had the mixer running at 27-28kHz ish and without smoothing enabled because even on a fast UAE, that many channels running with smoothing is going to be a pain.

What I always found was that I'd tend to play bright sounds, like high hats and cymbals at notes that had replay rates close to the mixing rate simply because they sounded best at that rate. For example, the "A-5" note for an untransposed sample in mix mode is quite close. This reduced distortion and made the realtime playback nicer to listen to. On a more technical note, it probably causes the sample-rate conversion aliasing frequencies to be closer to the fundamental.

However, you don't want to render your track at 27.x kHz, you want to render it at 44.1kHz or 48kHz, with smoothing for mastering. What you will then discover is that your track sounds kinda dull, like everything has gone through a low pass filter and your shiny high hats have lost their lustre. Soft pads, bass and stuff will sound fine however.

The reason for all this is that at 44kHz, your 27kHz A-5 note is interpolated by the smoothing algorithm. It's also not a rational fraction of the output rate, so the highest frequency changes in the original note just can't be reproduced.

There is a trick to all this. If you can use a mixing rate close to 44kHz when composing, then try to do that. However, if your are using a slower CPU this really might not be an option.

A better trick is to get some high quality 44kHz samples as your "master set" for things like cymbals or other bright sounds. Then create a lower sample rate version (you can use the sample editor to resample them to close to whatever realtime mixing frequency you use) and do your composition. You'll have to set the instrument properties transpose on them so you can keep the original F-6 (about 44kHz) note in your track, but it will replay your resampled sound at around A-5.

Once you are happy, reload the 44kHz version of the sample and remove the instrument properties transpose. When you render your track to disk now, these bright sounds should remain much brighter.
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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2024, 07:28:25 PM »
Sorry to revive an ancient thread,  but im in need of some Octamed SS 1.03c wisdom!

A couple of my issues so far:

1)  "Pick note under cursor as programmable key 0 - 9" dosent seem to work.  The manual says the shortcut is Shift-Ctrl-0-9, but I havent been able to get it working.  Things works fine if I open up the pop-up box, but that kinda interrupts my workflow.  Am I missing something?  Also, is it possible to select a range, and use a keyboard shortcut to put that range into a programmable key?

2)  Can I PLEASE make it so I can pick a range on the tracker editor using ONLY the keyboard?  I notcied a keymap etc section, but Im not too sure how it works.  Again, it kinda interrupts my workflow having to switch over to the mouse!

Overall loving this program!  Just overwhelmed with all the options and new stuff, coming from v4
 

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Re: OctaMED Sound Studio Install Issues & Advice.
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2024, 12:54:28 AM »
A bit of progress on #2

As per the manual,

RN_SETRANGE STARTTRACK/N,STARTLINE/N,ENDTRACK/N,ENDLINE/N,TRACK/K/N,
             LINE/K/N,CURRBLOCK/S,CURRTRACK/S: Sets range. Can specify
    absolute values, or range a given line/track, or range current trk/blk.

Commands like "Ctrl-B" selects the current track as the range.  The octamed command is "rn_setrange currtrack"

A custom command with "rn_setrange line 1" will select line 1 as the range.

I just need the command that sets a range in relation to the current cursor position on the track editor, like holding down LMB accomplishes.  But I want to hold down a key, and move the cursor keys, selecting a range as I move around the cursor.