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Offline DaNi

Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
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> Hello
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Hello,

> I`m client of us, i buy a lots of your product and the quality/prize is very
> good. Thanks for all your hard work

Nice to hear you words. Thank you for this opinion.
 
> I have a question about sharkppc... i think buy one when have on stock but i
> dont know nothing of information about your card ppc for mediator.
>
> If you can reply me with aproximate launch, is compatible with Amiga OS4 or
> MorphOS?

We have openly informed that the production of SharkPPC G3/G4 cards will start
when AmigaOS4 for A1 is released. Not earlier. As soon as AmigaOS4 for A1 is
released we will follow all procedures required by Amiga Inc. in order to
bundle AmigaOS4.x with SharkPPC cards.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need further assistance.

Thank you for using Elbox's online support services.

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Offline Kronos

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 09:38:14 PM »
Äh yes, and yesterday we had 5 inches of pure whit snow here in hell  :-o

Facts:
Claiming that OS4 would run on the Shark without major modifications
is pure BS.

Noone has seen a working Shark (you know that would have needed atleast
a working Linux-kernel to proove that it works).

They have sofar refused to send doku and a card to Hyperion, and even if
they have only 1 single card it would still be the most logical think to do.

Sending it after the release of OS-A1 would mean:

Hyperion would need to work out how to redirect any Amiga-HW-accesses
through the mem-window on the Voodoo-card (with correct timing).

They would need to rewrite drivers for kbd and IDE so they will work in
such a odd setup (there is no point in having a Shark., when all you can
access are the PCI-devices).

It's quite likely that Hyperion allready has a "what next" plan for the time
after the initial OS4-release, and I somehow doubt they would change that for
a rather limited number of users who are actually willing to invest serious
amounts of money in a =>10 years old system when they could buy a new for
less or little more.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline lempkee

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2003, 09:59:01 PM »
kronos: what about all of us who bought a mediator then? its more than all pegasos systems sold and that you know so well but still bleh.

anyway as kronos stated hyperion still havent got a card to mess with and still linux aint even shown running on it.

oh and btw the price on the shark is 199 quid and up to 340 quid... , last i checked that was an pretty decent price to pay if you allready have a mediator and btw many want to keep that ..

Whats up with all the hate!
 

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Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2003, 10:16:33 PM »
@lempkee

Prices:
The cheap "normal" Shark has no AGP and misses alot of other features,
something that just can't compete with the A1.

The + model has those, but will probraly cost more than an A1-lite
(well there is hope, cos a lite at >300 would be suicide), which would
be more or less comparable.

Numbers:
You can keep your cheap shot as that has NOTHING to do with this topic !
Most of the people who have such a beefed up system seem to be thinking
that they reached the end of the flag-post, and won't invest anymore in
old (and often problematic HW). Thats my personal observation.

So we might very well look at a potential costumer base below 600.

What would be hurdles ?
A SharkPPC+ would most likely be based on MAI's MikroServer, a system
that is still far away from being ready for production, and that won't change
until such times when someone sees a market for sveral 1000 of it.

The PPC_on_PCI would not be able to see the attached Amiga, only the mem
window on the Vodoo, so one would need to write a MMU-setup that redirects
those areas to it. And than what ? You would need an minimal OS on the
Amiga-side, to answer any request posted in the Vodoo-mem with the
fitting hits to the HW. Should be possible with something simple as a kbd
or serial driver, but try to access the IDE or SCSI (on accel), or something else
that needs serious bandwith or excat timing .....

Coding and testing such a system would atleasttake several months if not
a whole year, time that would have users switching to other alternives, and
time that (partly) could have been saved by sending a card to Hyperion earlier
this year (plus hireing one developer to closely work with Hyperion on
Shark-specifics).

Doesn't take much to smell "vapor" in here.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline serge

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2003, 11:10:57 PM »
about me, the only advantage to take a Shark, is keeping your Amiga1200 and continuing using it for Old chipset dpendent programs.
You never will be able to use old progs with AOS4, so you will have something like 2 computers on the same tower.
In this situation, the best thing to do is keeping your hold amiga for nostalgic software and buying a new computer "PEGASOS or amiga1" for serius progs.
Pegasos is realy a sweet,it is very stable lke a rock, 100% AmigaOS 3.0 compatible, not a lot expensive, fun like all amigas.
Amiga1 would be nice to, but I need see, to belive.

have fun

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Offline Madgun68

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2003, 11:53:28 PM »
Elbox doesn't like making licensing deals with anyone.. Something tells me that they're going to try to make the drivers themselves. (That is, if the Shark really does exist past a pipe dream.)
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Offline lempkee

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2003, 12:02:29 AM »
kronos: i am just so amazed over how anti amiga u can be at times, thats why....and especially elbox.

you are the first guy in every elbox post to comment how crap or how u want people to look the other way, though there is like ALOT of people still buying mediators.

as for the numbers with pegasos, i draw that into here because of the fact that you said there wasnt enough people interested, hence why i pointed out that its atleast bigger than the peg market.


and yes i agree that shark is vapor and it remains to be seen if it ever comes, most of all if it will be useable even.

when it comes to the mem window , i am on a ppc and i managed to get outside of the 8mb window (like the a4k people do without any tricks) ,
sure it will only see the first 8mb for os stuff and the rest of the card will be hidden but USED and that works here(finally) (thanx to elbox and their beta stuff).

anyway my amiga like many others will be built and built upon and some of us (i did) bought myself the new hw aswell, but i will always turn back to the real amiga and atleast for now since neither pegasos 1 or amigaone is enough to keep me busy.


btw the first shark is indeed only a cpu card, not like shark+ , and yes it has no AGP but that means nothing anyway since we all know that the mediator cant even use 30% of the potential of the voodoo3/4/5 pci cards we have in it today, a sharkppc and a ppc os will change that and sure it wont be an amigaone but did i say that it would ? , it wont even be the same mhz.


anyway i hope that helps, i just get very pissed that you always jumps in on upgrade questions like you did, but i agree with you on alot of this which u mentioned in the second reply.


Whats up with all the hate!
 

Offline Van_M

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2003, 01:00:05 AM »
Hasn't Elbox stood up to all of their announcements until today? If so I think that they will be able to deliver the goods. One thing to question though, is how big the market will be, for such a product, so the software and hardware design costs can be justified.... how many sales is elbox targetting at? I'd say no more than 700 pieces.
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Offline Glaucus

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2003, 01:21:58 AM »
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Claiming that OS4 would run on the Shark without major modifications
Perhaps, but all they claimed was that the SharkPPC will only be be launched into the market AFTER OS4.0 has been released. It may in fact need to be modified, they never stated that it would not need to be. Also, it's quite possible the SharkPPC has not been finalized, nor does it need to be until they are ready to commit to a production launch. If I was them, I'd wait until OS4.0 saw the light of day before investing more money into it. It's no big deal really, and I'm not sure why you're making it into one.

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Offline Gav

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2003, 02:20:20 AM »
Well id buy a shark the moment they were up for sale since i have spent money on my 1200.
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Offline Karlos

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2003, 03:14:29 AM »
Quote

lempkee wrote:

when it comes to the mem window , i am on a ppc and i managed to get outside of the 8mb window (like the a4k people do without any tricks) ,
sure it will only see the first 8mb for os stuff and the rest of the card will be hidden but USED and that works here(finally) (thanx to elbox and their beta stuff).


Hell, the memory on the BVision doesn't even show up in any of exec's memory lists as it is and it never stopped that working :-D
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Offline Glaucus

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2003, 06:31:55 AM »
The only thing I'd be interested in the SharkPPC PCI card would be if it were possible to stick it into an Intel machine and have it boot up AmigaOS4. That would be cool, and should be possible. Of course the OS would need to be specially modified, or perhaps have a special boot loader, but, whatever...  It would be cool to have a PCI PPC Amiga card for my PC.

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Offline platon42

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2003, 08:16:35 AM »
> Hasn't Elbox stood up to all of their announcements until today?

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Offline Bennymee

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2003, 09:00:32 AM »
This good news, but nothing really new.

I'll have a Mirage Pro tower available for it.
And the cheapest SharkPPC could do the job. Mediator's are advertized with 266MB/sec bustransfer if you use a Shark.

And you can also use a floppydisk....without spending the money on a Catweazle.



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Offline Bennymee

Re: Official email info about sharkppc from elbox
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2003, 09:04:33 AM »
>about me, the only advantage to take a Shark, is >keeping your Amiga1200 and continuing using it for >Old chipset dpendent programs.
>You never will be able to use old progs with AOS4,

Why could it NOT be possible to switch of the SharkPPC and use your 030 / 040 / 060 accelerator again ?
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