Brand New Sam460ex

[cha05e90]

Careful now, I don't think you really want to go there...

Yes master, we will not dare to ask for mystical, secret knowledge of the book "what-happend-in-the-past-and-we-are-the-beholder-of-the-one-and-only-truth-really-trust-me". Blabla.

[Tomas]

Careful now, I don't think you really want to go there...

Actually i would like to know.. I know they went over the non promised deadline a few times, but that was not really entirely their fault was it??

[Tomas]

Not the slightest.



How is slapping on a bog standard controller chip "true to the original Amiga"? They could at least have used something suitable for desktops. If the max resolution is 1280x1024 and it has no 3D, then isn't it just dead weight that adds complexity and cost to the board? Everyone will use a "real" GFX card anyway...

I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?

I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...

[persia]

Don't ask the question, you might get the answer and nobody want that....

Yes master, we will not dare to ask for mystical, secret knowledge of the book "what-happend-in-the-past-and-we-are-the-beholder-of-the-one-and-only-truth-really-trust-me". Blabla.

[cv643d]

What you describe is a so called "business model" - and it is different from the MorphOS team. I suppose they try to build a new base of hardware AND software combination with more than one system deliverer. In this context the HW company makes some money, the software company makes some money, the dealers make some money - especially if they build systems for customers (like my sam440ep was pre-assembled by my dealer).
Of course the software part in this model could make more money if they port the OS to Macintoshs. But up to now Hyperion still exists and ACube still exists and AmigaKit and Vesalia as well - so it seems to work.

Yes, I guess it makes sense by describing it with a business model.

But actually it makes no sense at all.

A companys main priority is to make money. If Hyperion believed in OS4.1 they would port it to Mac Mini ASAP (and they would bake in runinUAE so oldschool Amiga users would be able to play shadow of the beast with a simple click), they would make some money for sure.

But somehow I got the impression they are hiding their real passion and reason for developing this OS of 4.1, if it was just the joy of developing an AmigaOS4.1 clone of Workbench 3.1 I am sure we would see happy devs from Hyperion spreading the OS4.1 love on forums, now see only grumpy old men complaining of the community IMHO. Maybe the real reason, the big MAP in making lots of cashish from Amiga is yet to be anounced. Because in my narrow mind I fail to believe you can make lots of money with the NG Amiga built from the real arian AmigaOS source as it is today.

Anyways,, who cares. Amiga 1200 with 060 and 3.1 will be here forever and that is what makes the world go round lol ;-)

[the_leander]

I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?

Haven't you really made his case for him here? If they are that cheap, why add extra expense to what will due to the economies of scale already be very pricey board? By having a simpler design the cost of the board would go down, given the lack of a need for the latest and greatest gfx card, even a bargain bin card would be more then adequate and likely add nothing to the overall cost whilst providing a much better experience out of the box.

I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...

2003 just called, they want their red/blue war back.

[redrumloa]

I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?

I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...

I doubt it, MorphOS already supports Mac Mini up to 1.5Ghz and support for G4 power Macs up to 2Ghz is coming. Used Power Macs cost $20-$200.

-Edit-
Let me make it clear that I have nothing against Acube and wish them nothing but the best. I would have to guess they must have an industrial customer to keep them alive...

[Derfs]

a lot of these arguements are *exactly* the same as 3 years ago when the sam440ep was announced.

its a great game, just replace sam460ex for sam440ep and mac mini for pegasos2.

even though all this was said previously, acube are still in business and are making a new board to sell. i think that says alot.

[redrumloa]

Irrespective of my or anyone else's opinions of Hyperion, what do they have to do with the X1000? Apart from one guy from them been a partner in Aeon.

Gaz

@Gaz

Read this rant.

You do not have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. For  what it is worth: WE are the X-1000. A-Eon, Hyperion, the "Friedens",  and the whole OS 4 team. How dare you belittle the effort of this group  with your snug arrogance?

[redrumloa]

even though all this was said previously, acube are still in business and are making a new board to sell. i think that says alot.

Acube is a real company, with a real products and real support and warranty. I think they have earned the respect of Amigans, not just OS4 users. MorphOS users might not be interested in the product, but I doubt you will see them badmouthing the company (unlike a certain other company, or 2).

[the_leander]

@Gaz

Read this rant.

Rouge at it again eh? This is one of the (if not the) lead developers, right?

Way to sell to your customer base.

@persia Good luck on the app.

[takemehomegrandma]

I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...

As I said earlier, I'm just now setting up MorphOS 2.4 on my *Mac Mini*. It's maxed out in specs, it's the 1.5GHz model with 64MB vram, it has 1GB ram, and compared to this Sam the Mini has a real G4 CPU, GFX with 3D and higher screen resolution, etc, etc. This means that it isn't the cheapest of Mini's, far from it, and I know that I didn't pay the cheapest price for this particular model either. Still, I got it (the complete system) for *less than half* of what this Sam *motherboard alone* will cost. The machine I've got is way faster and so much cheaper. Why on earth would I drool over a motherboard that is inferior to what I already have that would only dig a deep hole in my wallet? If I would buy anything else, then it would be an even more powerful PowerMac for even less money. Or a powerbook. Look, I respect Acube for what they are trying to do, I respect their passion, etc, but if you for a second believe I'm *envious* and "drooling" about this Sam motherboard, then I must say that there is something *fundamental* about the whole situation you fail to grasp...

[wawrzon]

Rouge at it again eh? This is one of the (if not the) lead developers, right?

Way to sell to your customer base.

@persia Good luck on the app.

on the other hand this wii bot was really provoking.

[wawrzon]

-rgghhh.. dub post..

[pampers]

takemehomegrandma: I own the same setup as you do (just my cpu is overclocked) and it's absolutely amazing how MorphOS is working on it. But we have to remember how big Apple was (and is) when was establishing MacMini and how small ACube is.. On the other hand, these days this specs are not any exciting at all.

[gazgod]

@Gaz

Read this rant.

You should of linked to that with "WARNING: LOW FLYING DUMMY"