Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

[persia]

Snow Leopard was an almost complete rewrite of the OS.  They're trying to get rid of the Carbon legacy bits and the stuff that's there for PPC.  Tiger was fast on iNtel even though it was written for PPC, Snow Leopard is fast.  And nobody gives you the clean out of the box experience Apple does.  I work with Macs all day, I've probably tinkered with thousands of them over the years, but I still am taken aback at the first push of that power button...

Yeah, Apple makes some changes to Unix, but so does *every* distro maker.  I remember the first time I tried to work with Apache 2 in Ubuntu linux... well, let's just say they were liberal in their interpretation of where things go.....

[desiv]

I love these type of slamfests, they...  WHAT??? :confused:

A very small amount of people know how computers work, beyond "press buttan, reccev porno".

There's more???  MORE PORNO??
AArrghhghghghhgh....

desiv

[paolone]

I had to intermittently backup everything and reinstall the OS to make it usable again.
I had to deal with either no anti-virus (I caught conficker because of this) or enjoy AVgs nagging to update and restart
I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders and still play my online games
I was frustrated with WGA, "Sorry Billy, yes I pirated this version, now be a good boy and SMB and get the Fuck off my machine!"
I hated the games for windows having OS locks (can run on xp, but won't without a crack, ie. Halo 2) and no, Apple and devs make sure that even some new apps run  in Panther.

Sorry to say that again, but you urgently need to learn how to use computers. None of your sentences is true, and any just-averagely-skilled Windows user can easily subscribe. The need to backup your datas is true for any operating system, since your hard drive may  break any time. You don't even need to backup your documents, because if you are just a little smart, you know data must be placed in a different volume than system files (even Linux admins will tell you that /home must be placed on a different partition than  /). If you are used to place your data together with your system files, then your are doing an extremely wrong thing. You don't need antiviruses, if you just set up an admin user and a regular user, and then use the first for mantainance, and the second for regolar computing. Even if I shouldn't tell you, there are NO WGA restrictions that forbid to use hacked/cracked/pirated software (you shouldn't use it anyway), and you actually can use your open source codecs to encode whatever you wish on any Windows version, Vista and 7 included. The only DRM you'll find is the one connected to the Windows Media Player when you have to deal with DHCP-protected contents, and it's exactly the same kind of DRM you'll find on ANY blu-ray disc player, since Microsoft wouldn't get permission to play those contents, if they didn't pay for their license and protect digital rights that way. In the end, a MacOS and more in general an Apple user shouldn't ever talk about restrictions of freedom to Windows users: in Italy we have a good motto for this, "sembra il bue che dà del cornuto all'asino", which basically means that you shouldn't laugh about someone else's problems, when yours are bigger in the same area.

[Hell Labs]

Sorry to say that again, but you urgently need to learn how to use computers. None of your sentences is true, and any just-averagely-skilled Windows user can easily subscribe.

Everything you say is wrong. Be quiet.

The need to backup your datas is true for any operating system, since your hard drive may  break any time. You don't even need to backup your documents, because if you are just a little smart, you know data must be placed in a different volume than system files (even Linux admins will tell you that /home must be placed on a different partition than  /). If you are used to place your data together with your system files, then your are doing an extremely wrong thing. You don't need antiviruses, if you just set up an admin user and a regular user, and then use the first for mantainance, and the second for regolar computing.

That's not what he meant. He was referring to the phenomena of "windows rot" where the computer gradually slows down, and only a reinstall can fix it. This is a very real thing.

if I shouldn't tell you, there are NO WGA restrictions that forbid to use hacked/cracked/pirated software (you shouldn't use it anyway), and you actually can use your open source codecs to encode whatever you wish on any Windows version, Vista and 7 included.

He was referring to the copy protection of the OS itself.

The only DRM you'll find is the one connected to the Windows Media Player when you have to deal with DHCP-protected contents, and it's exactly the same kind of DRM you'll find on ANY blu-ray disc player, since Microsoft wouldn't get permission to play those contents, if they didn't pay for their license and protect digital rights that way.

...And the DRM stopping you from pirating the OS, which he was actually talking about.

the end, a MacOS and more in general an Apple user shouldn't ever talk about restrictions of freedom to Windows users: in Italy we have a good motto for this, "sembra il bue che dà del cornuto all'asino", which basically means that you shouldn't laugh about someone else's problems, when yours are bigger in the same area.

What? Macs have NO copy protection or DRM of any kind. iTunes is DRM free now, and you can install your copy of OS X on an infinite amount of computers and make as many "backup copies" as you like. My 1999 G3 iMac has the system software from a 2004 eMac G4, on DVD-R. No problem installing.

[dammy]

I love these type of slamfests, they...  WHAT??? :confused:



There's more???  MORE PORNO??
AArrghhghghghhgh....

desiv

That'll probably be the first external add on to the Xena bus, a sex bot.  Guess 64K of RAM could handle it?  That'll rock Helgis' world.

[dreamcast270mhz]

Paolone,

I am a very knowledgable person on computers, and you're picking a fight in the wrong place. Hell Labs is right, I was referring to windows rot which happens because all the websites and mis managements of the OS write little files to pad the ram and leave rest for the user applications. i've seen it. In order to run windoze safely and properly, you need to: optimize the swap, get firefox (or chrome), turn off "Luna", msconfig remove all unimportant startup apps, defrag, and restart a total of four times.

Compared to OS X Tiger: Install firefox, get your apps, remove Mail and Safari, install all updates your done. At least MacOS X by default lets you chose if you want to install all the software update, windows' automatic updates do it behind your back. :p

[slayer]

@ Dammy

..sadly it sounds like you already made up your mind :-( ...I run OS4.1 with Update 1 natively on my Samflex and I am very happy with it..it's by far the best AmigaOS system that I have ever owned and I assume people will be saying the same about the X1000 :-)

Sadly isnt the word I'd use... Too many users log into Amiga forums like this where they have no place in a proAmiga world anymore... which thankfully means they have no voice either... not in my world at any rate...

you seem like a sensible fellow klx300r heh

I too have a sam-flex running 4.1.x etc... my initial sam-ep 440 lives in an antistatic bag not doing anything anymore... a bit like my 90+ classic systems lol

I for one am hoping the X1000 is as expensive as they can make it... I love the idea of running a top system again out of the hands of the weak and unworthy :roflmao:

LIke I've always said the Amiga doesn't need any help from anyone... it'll be fine just on its own... It's an exciting time for us!

[Hell Labs]

I for one am hoping the X1000 is as expensive as they can make it... I love the idea of running a top system again out of the hands of the weak and unworthy :roflmao:

LIke I've always said the Amiga doesn't need any help from anyone... it'll be fine just on its own... It's an exciting time for us!

This is a troll post right? Are we trying to give me another nanostroke?

[paolone]

Paolone,

I am a very knowledgable person on computers, and you're picking a fight in the wrong place. Hell Labs is right, I was referring to windows rot which happens because all the websites and mis managements of the OS write little files to pad the ram and leave rest for the user applications. i've seen it. In order to run windoze safely and properly, you need to: optimize the swap, get firefox (or chrome), turn off "Luna", msconfig remove all unimportant startup apps, defrag, and restart a total of four times.

Then if you're a very knowledgable person on computers, you'd may be intersted in starting to use your knowledges. Windows usually rots on dumb people's computers, while remains perfectly functional and full-speed on smart people's ones. Otherwise, I'd barely explain why I never needed to reinstall anything for this "rot" thing. Nor why I never got a virus in years and years that I haven't ever installed an Antivitus. When I reinstalled, generally, is 'cos I've upgraded the main board with a totally different one. And it's not needed anymore with 7: I have a Win7 installation on a disc I share with all the mainboards I receive for testing pourposes, and it generally works immediately after all drivers have been installed.

About optimizations: some system services are meant to run in background to speed up common operations like file searches and so. If you don't need them, you can disable them. However, if you need them, you'll be happy the system indexer is stealing a little percentage of your processor grunt at given times. Optimizing the swap file won't bring great performance gains, unless you already know exactly how much virtual memory you need, and you set this value both for minimum and maximum dimensions of the swap file, possibly allocating it on a dedicated volume. Chrome or Firefox are NOT Windows component, so anything you do with them to speed up Windows, is not a Windows' issue.

Compared to OS X Tiger: Install firefox, get your apps, remove Mail and Safari, install all updates your done. At least MacOS X by default lets you chose if you want to install all the software update, windows' automatic updates do it behind your back. :p

Yes, you definitely don't know Windows. Windows Update lets you decide what to do from the very beginning, exactly when you install the operating system. So if you don't want automatic updates, you just disable them (at least on Win7, which is Windows current release).

[paolone]

Everything you say is wrong. Be quiet.

1. That's not what he meant. He was referring to the phenomena of "windows rot" where the computer gradually slows down, and only a reinstall can fix it. This is a very real thing.

2. He was referring to the copy protection of the OS itself.

3. ...And the DRM stopping you from pirating the OS, which he was actually talking about.

4. What? Macs have NO copy protection or DRM of any kind. iTunes is DRM free now, and you can install your copy of OS X on an infinite amount of computers and make as many "backup copies" as you like. My 1999 G3 iMac has the system software from a 2004 eMac G4, on DVD-R. No problem installing.

1. I've already answered about this.

2. and 3. There's no copy protection for the OS itself. There is a license checking that prevents people from STEALING the ability to run a commercial operating system if you haven't paid for it. And IMHO you can't argue against Microsoft for protecting their IPs.

And NO, "I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders" is definitely NOT related to the inability to duplicate the Windows disc.

4. Yes yes, I know that iPhone (which should be an Apple product, isn't it?) is the most open, freedom-wise smartphone all over the world. iPhoners just like to "unlock" it to amuse themselves. And well, everybody knows MacOS for being the most self-exposing operating system.

[the_leander]

No, you're wrong, all post-nubus ppc macs are not like Pcs at all. A PC has SSE software, but a g4 has an actual altivec FPU,

Since the advent of the Pentium, all X86 have had extra instructions similar to altivec SEE, MMX 3DNow. This isn't software, its actual hardware.

A PC runs little endian, PPC runs big-endian AND little endian. A mac has OF, Pcs have BIOS.

Wake up. I specifically stated that beyond the CPU, the arch was the same.

It is, both have a cpu hooked up to a northbridge which in turn hooks up the memory, AGP/PCIE and southbridge. The southbridge handles USB PCI and more recently PCIE. What the rom has on it is irrelevant to the point about architecture.

The differences go on.

Only for those who have no clue about how their computer works.

And to date, the most populous Big-Endian archittecture is PPC

Actually PPC is bi-endian. And even if we were strictly talking Big-Endian ARM still has it beat hands down in shear volume (then again, by numbers sold, ARM beats everything).

the 68k is VERY similar to a PPC.

I'll leave it up to the hardware folks to explain to explain why this isn't the case.

 And as far as OCS/ECS/AGA goes, their relatives are the GPU, SPU and North/South Bridge chips in Macs and PCs, i wasn't focusibng on them.

They have nothing to do with each other. The Amiga and its arch was a closed source effort. It was designed originally to be a games console and it shows. It has more in common with a modern games console then it does a PC.

I have to say that PPC macs have more lifetime than any PC to a consumer.

Which is why they're currently being dumped wholesale on ebay at the moment.

My iBook g4 runs circles around my brother's Phenom 3Gb laptop, at 768mb and 1.33 Ghz at that, because it runs Micro$haft 7.

Right up until you need to do something that needs some seriously heavy grunt. Also, knock it off with the "windoze" "Micro$haft" nonsense, what are you, 12?

My point is, I don't mind waiting two hours for 720p dvd5 video to be encoded,

I do. Fortunately I don't need to wait.

because I can browse, play Ut2004 and do whatever while I wait, if I encoded on my HT, it locked up the RAM so much i couldn't play even Half Life.

So can I. And my machine still has a warranty.

[Hell Labs]

1. I've already answered about this.

No you haven't.

2. and 3. There's no copy protection for the OS itself. There is a license checking that prevents people from STEALING the ability to run a commercial operating system if you haven't paid for it. And IMHO you can't argue against Microsoft for protecting their IPs.

err, rewind here. First you say:

2. and 3. There's no copy protection for the OS  itself.

Then you say:

There is a license checking that prevents people from STEALING the  ability to run a commercial operating system if you haven't paid for it.

You just proved yourself wrong in the next sentence. Give him a big clap everyone, he deserves it.

And NO, "I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders" is definitely NOT related to the inability to duplicate the Windows disc.

I never said it was, and he never said it was. You clearly aren't as good at english as you think you are; this is basic reading comprehension.

Also, you can't just copy the disc without cracking it, even with an ISO program. I've tried. It actually tells you it's priated.

4. Yes yes, I know that iPhone (which should be an Apple product, isn't it?) is the most open, freedom-wise smartphone all over the world. iPhoners just like to "unlock" it to amuse themselves. And well, everybody knows MacOS for being the most self-exposing operating system.

Why are you talking about the iPhone? It's a phone. It's not relevent to a computer disscussion

And MacOS, or MacOS X? I'll cover both to show you how wrong you are.

MacOS:

Big ass bundles of developer documentation, right down to every weird little detail of the hardware were avalible. In fact There is a website, where the developers have explained how the system itself works, in a clear and detailed manner, occasionally even releasing source code.

If you meant something stupid, like "the command line is hidden blah blah blah", bare in mind that the macintosh hardware was actually completely incapable of supporting text mode. On first boot, before the operating system is actually loaded even slightly, it's already drawing the mouse cursor. There is no text support in hardware, it's all graphical. As a consiquence, everything is done through the GUI, nothing is left out.

(this is a good thing, the command line is terrible and slower than a GUI. Studies have actually shown that the perceved difference in speed is due to the brain "hourglassing", where you are unconcious as you remember what next to type. The whole thing is smoothed over by the brain. I suppose you could call it a form of amnesia.)

MacOS X:

The entire OS, bar the NS apis and windowing engine, is open source. It's unix. It's just unix. Everyone can do anything. My main Mac doesn't run an apple kernel, for example, I use one with more hardware support.

As with the first mac os, everything is documented. It has been since roughly 1988 when the NeXT was launched. you can do what you like. How do you think they know how to jailbreak the iPhone?

[koaftder]

That'll probably be the first external add on to the Xena bus, a sex bot.  Guess 64K of RAM could handle it?  That'll rock Helgis' world.

I'm working on that, an expansion card for the "xorro" slot to control a number of "vibration" devices. Having a hell of a time trying to get the profile for the PCIe x16 slot designed. If anybody knows of a lib for the card edge connector for a pcie 16x interface for altium, i'd love to see it.

[kolla]

I want to read more about DHCP-protected contents, please

[koaftder]

I want to read more about DHCP-protected contents, please

What does that mean anyway?

[runequester]

I love how the iphone gets trotted out as an argument that the Mac OS is locked down..