Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

[dreamcast270mhz]

No, you're wrong, all post-nubus ppc macs are not like Pcs at all. A PC has SSE software, but a g4 has an actual altivec FPU, A PC runs little endian, PPC runs big-endian AND little endian. A mac has OF, Pcs have BIOS. The differences go on.
Truth be told, a mac nowadays is a custom PC with EFI on a cheap FOXCONN Mobo.

And to date, the most populous Big-Endian archittecture is PPC, the 68k is VERY similar to a PPC. And as far as OCS/ECS/AGA goes, their relatives are the GPU, SPU and North/South Bridge chips in Macs and PCs, i wasn't focusibng on them.

@Paolone

AROS has promise, if you can get WARPOS/PUP support working I'd DL it for PPC, you won't rely on UAE to do it, will you? I like the three Amigoids Oses out there, tehy all have promise.

I have to say that PPC macs have more lifetime than any PC to a consumer. when SJ switched them to Intel, that went teh way of horse and buggy. I am neighbors with a couple who use a PowerMac G3 w/ one of those 450mhz ZIF G4s, it runs Tiger like new, a Core Duo Macbook at stock spec struggles with SL. My iBook g4 runs circles around my brother's Phenom 3Gb laptop, at 768mb and 1.33 Ghz at that, because it runs Micro$haft 7.

I use my G4 for:

DVD encoding
E-mail and web browsing, youtube, facebook
Gaming, the newest game I use is DOOM 3
iTunes music and 720p video (my  P4 HT couldn't do 480p without slowdown)
ALL else I do on internet


My point is, I don't mind waiting two hours for 720p dvd5 video to be encoded, because I can browse, play Ut2004 and do whatever while I wait, if I encoded on my HT, it locked up the RAM so much i couldn't play even Half Life. I don't need 1080p video, 3GB/s transfers or UT3, because I don't care to be in the rat race to keep up. I'm happy with what i have, thank you

[Skyraker]

If that's your answer to every computer problem it's a wonder anyone keeps calling you.  I can lock down a Windows machine in five minutes, spend five more minutes educating the user, and that's the end of it.  That locked down machine will be just as usable to the customer as it was when I started, so no, it doesn't involve deleting their user account

I have to agree with this.

Windows 7 works a dream with an obscured named admin account with pwd & users set as 'standard'. I've no idea why they don't come like this out of the box but it's as near to 'sudo' as i've seen on a Microsoft platform.

'Run as' in XP is just too difficult for munters to get their heads around..... Pwd protected admin account & std users in 7 works well... makes them think twice before giving an app the go-ahead.

[ElPolloDiabl]

Here's the latest kludge from Microsoft expert programmers:

http://lifehacker.com/5451159/solid+color-backgrounds-cause-30+second-login-delay-in-windows-7

[dreamcast270mhz]

Lol that just goes to show that M$ has made another "Simple Jack" OS

[tone007]

That's a feature, it's to scare n00bs like dreamcast off to Mac-land, "OMG it was s0 SLOW my G4 blew  it away i was scared!, PCs stink!"

Whereas any reasonable person would change the number in the registry and be done with it.  Apple never had any bugs!

[persia]

To be fair the Registry was probably the greatest mistake in the history of personal computing.  Bloated, hidden and buggy, it should have joined Bob in a Redmond basement...

[Hell Labs]

With things like youtube and similar becoming ever more popular, having the grunt to encode video is a lot more common. Now that Youtube amongst others are offering high def video, the need is greater still.

Sure, they don't need that maybe 90% of the time, but when they do, they want it done in a reasonable time frame. With the introduction of high def, the G5 and especially the G4 based macs are really starting to show their shortcomings.

If youtube didn't use flash, there would be no problem. its hilarious playing a 720p video in quicktime full speed on a g3 400, then trying to watch it on youtube and have the entire machine hang. Actually encoding video doesn't really take too long on a G4 machine, it certainly doesn't slow the other running apps by any noticable amount.

That's a feature, it's to scare n00bs like  dreamcast off to Mac-land, "OMG it was s0 SLOW my G4 blew  it away i was  scared!, PCs stink!"

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Seriously, it's just random words wedged into a vaguely insulting sentence. Are you sure you know what a computer is?

Whereas any reasonable person would change the number in the registry  and be done with it.  Apple never had any bugs!

Yes, it is reasonable that joe bloggs (i.e someone who doesn't care about computers in the slightest) has to learn the inner workings of the worlds most popular VMS clone, then start altering it to fix the developers severe fuck ups.:laughing:

[tone007]

Yes, it is reasonable that joe bloggs (i.e someone who doesn't care about computers in the slightest) has to learn the inner workings of the worlds most popular VMS clone, then start altering it to fix the developers severe fuck ups.:laughing:

..or run/wait for the auto-update patch that was probably released 5 minutes after the bug was discovered...

[Hell Labs]

Which isn't what you wanted them to do. You wanted them to become an "l337 haxx0r" like you must think you are, then start pissing about in the registry.

And if people actually used windows update, it'd probably render the machine unusable from the constant reboots. I once made the mistake of installing a fresh copy of XP SP3, set auto update to bring down all the patches, install and reboot all by itself, and it took about 4 days before it finished, on a 10mb/s connection. yeah.

[tone007]

Which isn't what you wanted them to do.

I don't want them to do anything, let them keep their 30 second wait for all I care.  I was just commenting the issue was a single value (in seconds) in the registry that needed to be changed, which is as easy as typing "regedit" and typing in a new number in a box.  Scary l33t stuff, that is.

..oh, and as for Windows updates... You can take a copy of Windows XP released in 2001 and update it to the most current service pack, patches, etc, for free.  If you've got a copy of OS X from 2001, guess what, you have to buy a new version if you want something newer.  I'll take downloading a couple hundred megs in patches over spending money anyday, not that Apple doesn't make you download large patches to get from 10.4 to 10.4.11, etc.

[dreamcast270mhz]

@tone007
We all know you like windoze, agree to disagree with me and others in that case. I don't like Windows because:

I had to intermittently backup everything and reinstall the OS to make it usable again.
I had to deal with either no anti-virus (I caught conficker because of this) or enjoy AVgs nagging to update and restart
I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders and still play my online games
I was frustrated with WGA, "Sorry Billy, yes I pirated this version, now be a good boy and SMB and get the Fuck off my machine!"
I hated the games for windows having OS locks (can run on xp, but won't without a crack, ie. Halo 2) and no, Apple and devs make sure that even some new apps run  in Panther.

The list goes on, but i didn't migrate to mac to have someone nagging me that windows is better like the mormons and jehovahs witnesses that come to my door daily. Maybe I should use a similar stategy: Paint a sign in my doctor's handwriting : I used "Satan rulez" for them but maybe "I kill silly Billies" or "Beware of Titan" will keep fanbois away.

Good luck convincing any average mac user like that :p

[tone007]

A checklist!  I love checklists.

I had to intermittently backup everything and reinstall the OS to make it usable again. n00b
I had to deal with either no anti-virus (I caught conficker because of this) or enjoy AVgs nagging to update and restart n00b
I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders and still play my online games who the heck knows what you did wrong there
I was frustrated with WGA, "Sorry Billy, yes I pirated this version, now be a good boy and SMB and get the Fuck off my machine!" pirate
I hated the games for windows having OS locks (can run on xp, but won't without a crack, ie. Halo 2) and no, Apple and devs make sure that even some new apps run  in Panther. "some," ha.

i didn't migrate to mac to have someone nagging me that windows is better

Windows isn't better, nor is Mac.  You have a preference, and I have a preference.  Your preference is obvious, my preference isn't necessarily Microsoft though I chose their side on this one.  Coming onto a forum with "haaha looks like M$ screwed up again," like a silly little Mac fanboi however, is asking for rebuttal, or at least a little name-calling.  ..and I'm all out of chewing gum, or something.

[Hell Labs]

I don't want them to do anything, let them keep their 30 second wait for all I care.  I was just commenting the issue was a single value (in seconds) in the registry that needed to be changed, which is as easy as typing "regedit" and typing in a new number in a box.  Scary l33t stuff, that is.

Here is something you do not understand:

A very small amount of people know how computers work, beyond "press buttan, reccev porno".

A very small amount of people actually want to.

Only the above group of people would know how to do that.

..oh, and as for Windows updates... You can take a copy of Windows XP released in 2001 and update it to the most current service pack, patches, etc, for free.  If you've got a copy of OS X from 2001, guess what, you have to buy a new version if you want something newer.  I'll take downloading a couple hundred megs in patches over spending money anyday, not that Apple doesn't make you download large patches to get from 10.4 to 10.4.11, etc.

okay, you're a moron. Reading this literally gave me the opposite of an epiphany. I think I actually felt my brain kernel panic. It's weird, like there's a load of pressure inside your brain, and it gets yanked forward suddenly, your thought process stops totally, you become newborn child levels of stupid, barely sapient for a second. Then, you snap back to your normal level of intelligence, but you feel confused, and full of rage as your brain tries, and fails to proccess the fact that somebody actually thinks that way. It's probably the closest experience to having a stroke I've ever had, and if it weren't for the fact it lasted two seconds and was cause by reading something, I'd be on the way to hospital right now (or shaking on the floor). Congradulations, you just invented the text equivalent of the brown note.

The reason that you have to pay for new OSX operating system releases, is that they are new operating system releases. They are not free, because they aren't. just as windows vista is not a free upgrade for XP, panther is not a free upgrade for jaguar. It's exactly the same. apple doesn't make "service packs" because they are capable of actually improving the operating system in less than seven years.

I love the service pack model. "lets release lots of tiny minor insignifcant fixes constantly, but anything important can wait for a couple of year while we build it into a 2GB monstrosity of a patch that basically replaces the entire OS install and takes forever to download".

Everyone else: "lol no. We find a problem, we fix it as soon as."

[tone007]

Here is something you do not understand:

A very small amount of people know how computers work, beyond "press buttan, reccev porno".

A very small amount of people actually want to.

I understand that perfectly, and rest assured, even those people will have the problem fixed.

The reason that you have to pay for new OSX operating system releases, is that they are new operating system releases.

Only because Steve Jobs needed some spending money.  It's still OSX, they just picked the "pay for play" route.  Want to use OSX for 10 years? You're going to buy it a few times and spend alot more than you'd pay for XP.

I love the service pack model. "lets release lots of tiny minor insignifcant fixes constantly, but anything important can wait for a couple of year while we build it into a 2GB monstrosity of a patch that basically replaces the entire OS install and takes forever to download".

Obviously you don't know what a service pack is.  It's a rollup of those "tiny minor fixes," bundled into one for convenience, just like Apple does.  Sure, they usually add something different to make it worth doing the rollup and rollout, but most of it is old work repackaged to save time.

[Hell Labs]

I understand that perfectly, and rest assured, even those people will have the problem fixed.

good. Now read the rest of the post.

Only because Steve Jobs needed some spending money.  It's still OSX, they just picked the "pay for play" route.  Want to use OSX for 10 years? You're going to buy it a few times and spend alot more than you'd pay for XP.

No. There's so many changes between each release, so many new apis, large sections of the OS re written or replaced, new features added. It's completely different to just adding more service packs to XP. I mean, there's nothing bar some security tools added by SP2/3 and absoltely nothing at all by SP1. The difference between 10.0 and 10.3, for example, is greater than the difference between win2k and win7. the entire graphical side of the OS + NS apis have been rewritten several times over as of 10.6. Hell, on the same hardware, OSX releases have gotten FASTER.

Let us compare "still OSX":

First version:


Display postscript, OS9 UI, no hardware acceleration.

Latest version:


Quartz, 3D accelerated desktop, transparency, multiple desktop, ported to a different cpu arch, new user interface, openCL (gpgpu), GCD, and many many more apis than those, etc.

Congratulations on being wrong, I guess.

Obviously you don't know what a service pack is.  It's a rollup of those "tiny minor fixes," bundled into one for convenience, just like Apple does.  Sure, they usually add something different to make it worth doing the rollup and rollout, but most of it is old work repackaged to save time.

...That essentially is a reinstall of the OS, complete with setup "please wait" screen. Yaaaaaay.

[persia]

Snow Leopard was an almost complete rewrite of the OS.  They're trying to get rid of the Carbon legacy bits and the stuff that's there for PPC.  Tiger was fast on iNtel even though it was written for PPC, Snow Leopard is fast.  And nobody gives you the clean out of the box experience Apple does.  I work with Macs all day, I've probably tinkered with thousands of them over the years, but I still am taken aback at the first push of that power button...

Yeah, Apple makes some changes to Unix, but so does *every* distro maker.  I remember the first time I tried to work with Apache 2 in Ubuntu linux... well, let's just say they were liberal in their interpretation of where things go.....