Windows is buggy and slow lets buy a Mac

[motrucker]

This argument will never be resolved. It's been going on for years.
The truth is, every system out has strong points and weak points. It all depends on what you want to do with the computer.
For a game machine, Windows still seems to be on top - mainly due to the number of games being released for it. Too many games are not available for the Mac, and linux is in the same boat (or worse).
For basic computing (word processing, data management, web browsing, etc.) anything will work.
For a secure system, Linux is most likely the best.
Of course there a few of us nuts who still actually use their Amigas too

[save2600]

As succinctly as I possibly can, when it comes to general purpose "computing" (word processing, photo editing, e-mail, database storage, internet), I want the system, hardware and OS to get the f@ck out of my way. I just want it to work and work well. Like my automobiles. You should just turn them on and go. This is why I prefer Mac's.

If I wanted to constantly be messing around with hardware and software configs all day long, worried if my latest purchase is going to be compatible or not, it'll be in the form of a hobby that is much more fun and gratifying to me. Enter the Amiga.

[tokyoracer]

You're dead right I don't think about anything other than turning on, using and turning off my MacBook. Why should I have to think about anything else? When I'm using my Mac for writing my dissertation, researching something for use in clinic, viewing and annotating handouts during a lecture or seminar, or any number of other taxing tasks, I don't want to have to think about what my computer is doing or why. I want my OS to leave me alone while I'm working, and OS X does that.

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moto

What the hell is hard about just waiting 20 seconds for a computer to shut down? If someone buys a Mac OS just over this basis then they need their head seeing to if you ask me.

Oh and games for Mac? That's a joke in itself if you ask me, why by a system that doesn't allow you to let off steam once in a while (or at-least very limited).

[tone007]

Who shuts down their computer anymore anyway?  Between sleep/suspend and hibernation, my systems rarely get an actual reboot.  Did Apple ever get hibernation going in OSX?  I only remember seeing them use sleep mode.

Oh and games for Mac? That's a joke in itself if you ask me, why by a system that doesn't allow you to let off steam once in a while (or at-least very limited).

I have Postal or Postal 2 around here somewhere for MacOS..

[tokyoracer]

Who shuts down their computer anymore anyway?  Between sleep/suspend and hibernation, my systems rarely get an actual reboot.  Did Apple ever get hibernation working on their systems?  I only remember seeing them use sleep mode.

Precicely, mine is only shut down overnight (sometimes) and/or if im away for more then a day. If in sleep mode, mine takes 10 - 20 secs to wake up which is a damn sight quicker then I can wake up.

[motorollin]

What the hell is hard about just waiting 20 seconds for a computer to shut down?

My post said nothing about it being hard to wait for a computer to shut down. My point was that I don't want to be bothered by the OS while I'm working.

Oh and games for Mac? That's a joke in itself if you ask me, why by a system that doesn't allow you to let off steam once in a while (or at-least very limited).

I don't play games on my Mac, but if I did I could easily install Windows and reboot into XP to play games. I know the hardware isn't ideal for most modern games, but I knew that when I bought it. Gaming wasn't a consideration when I bought the machine.

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moto

[runequester]

Hi,

@Fanscale,

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Almost every PC power user I know plays games, and according to MaximumPC (sure hope I can say this) when they were asked if PC gamming was dying, they stated "Just wait there are tons of new high powered graphic and sound games comming out for the PC this year, the consoles will look cheap compared to the new high powered stuff comming out for the PC".

And yet, the machine that sells the most games is the lowly wii and DS, with crap graphics.

For most normal users, "pc game" means little silly flash games. The developers have mostly seen the writing on the wall. Corporations don't care about anecdotal evidence. They care about who buys the product. Why does it take a (for the time) cutting edge game like Crysis 4 months to sell a million copies, when a Mario game on a glorified gamecube can do exceed 2 million in its first month?

PC gaming isn't dead, but I think it'll move more and more to smaller developers and with more of a focus on alternative titles. That's not a bad thing in itself, but deluding yourself into thinking the PC rules the gaming world is not helping.


@Fishy_fiz

Thanks for that link. Always better to have current numbers. Do note though that the article gives 6 billion revenue for US and Europe combined, and 11 billion worldwide

The original article I posted was US numbers only. So PC online revenue is definately increasing (and in the future, this will become more and more so I think) but even including that, PC's are only generating half the revenue of the console market in the US.

[beller]

No Mac Games?  How many have actually read the box on their PC game and discovered that, if they had a Mac, it was bootable on that machine too?

No Mac games?  Try this: http://www.apple.com/games/

[kickstart]

This page is a joke? Sims, dragonage, some simple games... pc people can play sims and dragonage with more performance and millions of more games.

Surrender, when mac people use virus or one of this games page its all over.

[stefcep2]

Who shuts down their computer anymore anyway?  Between sleep/suspend and hibernation, my systems rarely get an actual reboot.  Did Apple ever get hibernation going in OSX?  I only remember seeing them use sleep mode.



I have Postal or Postal 2 around here somewhere for MacOS..

I would say most people shut down, rather than sleep/hibernate.  Especially laptops, which are prone to heating up in a bag if they are left asleep, and which take just about as long to get out of hibernate as they do to boot anyway and the way sales are going these days will outnumber-if they haven't already-desktop users.  

There's a lot of effort being put into making Windows and Linux boot ever faster and that's because users demand it.

Don't under-estimate the value of a fast booting OS is to the average user.  It matters,  Microsoft knows this and Ubuntu's targetting a 7 second boot time this year apparantly.  They wouldn't be devoting resources if it didn't matter to the average user.

[tone007]

I would say most people shut down, rather than sleep/hibernate.  Especially laptops, which are prone to heating up in a bag if they are left asleep, and which take just about as long to get out of hibernate as they do to boot anyway

What kind of crap laptops have you been using?  I've got no less than 7 or 8 here, and they all use about as close to no power as you could hope (and make no heat) in sleep mode, and coming out of hibernation takes far less time than an actual bootup (not to mention the battery savings,) especially on older systems.

Fast bootup is nice, sure, but OSes and systems are stable enough to suspend/hibernate, and people do take advantage of it.  I routinely hibernate my dual-boot netbook and switch from Linux to a hibernated Windows session and vice versa.

[stefcep2]

As succinctly as I possibly can, when it comes to general purpose "computing" (word processing, photo editing, e-mail, database storage, internet), I want the system, hardware and OS to get the f@ck out of my way. I just want it to work and work well. Like my automobiles. You should just turn them on and go. This is why I prefer Mac's.

Ubuntu is pretty much like that for those uses out of the box these days, and runs on much cheaper hardware.  And the software is free, and meets those needs adequately for me.  Sure its not as polished as OS X.  Its hardware support has improved a lot, I was surprised that with a brand new laptop everything except for sound worked.  To fix that i just had to add a single line to my xorg.conf file and I found that in few minutes on the forums.  That was 12 months ago, the latest Ubuntu works 100% on the same laptop.  And this was why I got a PC: because i can do what I'd do on a  Mac for much less $$, and for the stuff that Mac doesn't do well-games, emulators and media centre functionality-  I use linux or windows.

[stefcep2]

What kind of crap laptops have you been using?  I've got no less than 7 or 8 here, and they all use about as close to no power as you could hope (and make no heat) in sleep mode, and coming out of hibernation takes far less time than an actual bootup (not to mention the battery savings,) especially on older systems.

Fast bootup is nice, sure, but OSes and systems are stable enough to suspend/hibernate, and people do take advantage of it.  I routinely hibernate my dual-boot netbook and switch from Linux to a hibernated Windows session and vice versa.

Its a 12 month HP DV4.  It heats up if left in a bag in sleep/hibernate.  No-one I know at the large corporation I work in leaves their company laptop in sleep mode when on the road, and the company advised everyone not to do it.  And i've timed waking up from hibernate: the difference is maybe a few seconds.

Like I said, Microsoft made a point of improving Win 7's boot time over Vista, and the ubuntu devs are focusing on it too, simply because it improves the computing experience of many users.  It matters.

[Nlandas]

Go Windows 7 then.  Mac is crap also.  I know a lot of people don't like MS but lets face it Apple is doing the same crap if not worse.  Drop the Iphone, get an Android, drop the ipod and buy an MP3 player for cheaper that is better, DONT buy an Ipad cause it lacks everything useful to be an actual computer.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

[save2600]

I've heard of Ubuntu, but don't know a thing about it. Sounds like an OS of sorts.

One thing I forgot to mention to the OP is that Mac's are no longer as impervious to the crap phenomena of mainstream computing since the change to Intel CPU's. And for those of us that purposely bought a G5 at the very end, during the transition, I can tell you that OSX support ala Leopard SUCKED. For the first time as a Mac user, I felt as if I had been duped "upgrading" my computer. 10.5 slowed it down big time and felt bloated and unnecessarily glitzy. Snow Leopard (the fix) isn't even available for PowerPC users!! Also, iTunes has been "evolving" and becoming ever slower with each and every update. I don't know what the 'engine' is called now that they're using, but it absolutely sucks on my 2.1GHZ G5. You'd hit a button and there's literally a noticeable 'lag' time before the feature kicked in! Starting with version 8 or maybe 9 it was (I forget). I purposely went back to using 6 or 7 on ALL my Mac's because of how crappy and sluggish iTunes now is. Seems as if we're being forced to go Intel, but what a crap deal. As a long term Mac user, I can tell you one of the major benefits of using Mac was the fact we got a LOT of mileage out of our machines comparatively. Not so true today. And for what reason? To keep up with all the bloatware, ads and God knows what else?? This is what I mean when I rip on modern computing today. What I'm observing is beyond planned obsolescence and seems utterly greedy and unnecessary to me as a computer user. Being forced and ushered into the new computing world order sucks!

[tone007]

Its a 12 month HP DV4.  It heats up if left in a bag in sleep/hibernate.

Get it fixed, it's not working right.  Maybe a BIOS update...

And i've timed waking up from hibernate: the difference is maybe a few seconds.

..and then how long does it take to start up your browser and IM software and office suite and whatever other applications you'd have running?  If you hibernate the system with everything running, everything comes back in a running state with no additional wait, saving even more time and power.

It sounds like people just need to learn how to use the capabilities of the current operating systems before getting new features.