Isnt there something we can learn from them?

[dougal]

Its true the older ST and Amiga games may have looked quite alike but believe me they sounded nothing like each other.

The sound from the ST is shit compared to the Amiga. ST sounds more like older 8bit systems in practically all games whilst the Amiga sounds so much nicer and cleaner.

I know what im talking about as besides my Amiga's i actually also have a 'door stop' 1040STe.

[Hell Labs]

ST sound is hilariously bad. coupled with a screen resolution where the file menu used the entire screen and it's a wonder why people didn't just buy an amiga and put in a midi card.

[dougal]

ST sound is hilariously bad. coupled with a screen resolution where the file menu used the entire screen and it's a wonder why people didn't just buy an amiga and put in a midi card.

So true...  Try the music of Ninja Warriors or Xenon2 and compare them between the ST and Amiga. And that is just 2 games out of 100's.

[Steril707]

It's really a peaceful experience to browse and post in Atariforums. Non of the  hatemongering that is so prevalent in Amiga forums, whichever one you look.

And, they get things done. They have their "Natami" (the "Coldari") already built, and OS and other stuff running on it, they have Memory Protection in MinT since the 90ies, etc etc etc... When the Coldari got announced, lots of coders of famous Atari-software of old started porting their stuff (like Papyrus, GFA Basic etc) to the new platform, simply because they love it.

On the Amiga, when the platform died in the middle 90ies, almost everybody went to something more profitable and didn't look back ever.

 
Plus, the Atari scene is not fractured into tiny pieces like the Amiga scene is...

What is it worth to be more people around, when in reality, you are just a much more tiny fraction among many, infighting with some other dweebs about who has the right answer to which Amiga system is the right one to have?


Amiga dweebs could learn a lot from Atari fans these days.

[Karlos]

ST sound is hilariously bad. coupled with a screen resolution where the file menu used the entire screen and it's a wonder why people didn't just buy an amiga and put in a midi card.

Not so on the Falcon, though. There were apps that could do multi channel 16-bit 44kHz audio all mixed realtime on the DSP.

Shame about the 16-bit CPU bus though. Capital crime, should have had at least a wedge of 32-bit wide memory even if it was only for the CPU and not accessible by the rest of the hardware.

[desiv]

It's really a peaceful experience to browse and post in Atariforums. Non of the  hatemongering that is so prevalent in Amiga forums, whichever one you look.

Where is that?  I'd love to see that.

You just get hammered at Atariage.  And I think they have some of the greatest people and info there.
I've been a member there longer than most of the users.

But it gets really bad.

Too bad,  because I like all computers, but I admit I'm an Amiga guy.
I'd like to learn more about the ST (have one I'm not using).
But it's so aggressive there, I've just about given up on it.

Now, I still spend time there on the non-ST forums, and it's pretty nice.

I have more than a few systems (and a couple of old Arcade machines) and it's great for that.

Recently, I mentioned that I picked up an ST without knowing that some of them didn't have RF or composite out, so I'm not using it.  I was kind of thinking I'd get some advice....

I got slammed for being an Amiga fanboy.  
Someone tried to back me up and said one thing wrong (he thought the early STs all came without RF/composite) and they slammed him as well.

Now, Amiga people tend to be snobs and pretty condescending to ST people too.  You can see it in this thread.  :-)

Some things never change...


I actually did admire the ST and wanted to play with it.
It beat the Amiga to the Market.  GEM, although not my favorite, was more complete that early AmigaOS  (Because they rushed out the AmigaOS after the original one wasn't going to work).
It was much less expensive and a very capable computer.
Some of the games are really great...
The hires mono display was very professional (although not being able to run lo-res/med-res games on it was a bit weird).

I appreciated the ST, but at least over there, you're not allowed to like both.  You have to hate the Amiga or you are a fan boy.
I expect a bit, I mean it is an Atari website.  :-)  But they get downright mean.  IMHO.

So, an open forum would be great to know about...

desiv

[redrumloa]

Recently, I mentioned that I picked up an ST without knowing that some of them didn't have RF or composite out, so I'm not using it.  I was kind of thinking I'd get some advice....

I got slammed for being an Amiga fanboy.  
Someone tried to back me up and said one thing wrong (he thought the early STs all came without RF/composite) and they slammed him as well.

Nerd rage, it infects all retro communities it seems.

[leszeka33]

Isnt there something we can learn from them?

Atari Falcon chips has chunky mode, AGA has not.
Therefore, writing software for the Atari with the original chips, may still be a nice enjoyable hobby and give much joy.
When writing software for the Amiga with original chips done by Commodore  is humiliating hard boring work.

[Tension]

Atari Falcon chips has chunky mode, AGA has not.
Therefore, writing software for the Atari with the original chips, may still be a nice enjoyable hobby and give much joy.
When writing software for the Amiga with original chips done by Commodore  is humiliating hard boring work.

Does Akiko on the CD32 make it easier?

[leszeka33]

Does Akiko on the CD32 make it easier?

It is still the question of the speed of the system itself Akiko, its impact on the rest of the system.
In addition, in 640x400 16 bit mode, Atari Falcon, the individual pixels are not dependent on other pixels, so write software for this mode is much easier to write software for the Amiga HAM8 mode, and greatly cut the amount of work needed to write software.

[countzero]

It's really a peaceful experience to browse and post in Atariforums. Non of the  hatemongering that is so prevalent in Amiga forums, whichever one you look.

And, they get things done. They have their "Natami" (the "Coldari") already built, and OS and other stuff running on it, they have Memory Protection in MinT since the 90ies, etc etc etc... When the Coldari got announced, lots of coders of famous Atari-software of old started porting their stuff (like Papyrus, GFA Basic etc) to the new platform, simply because they love it.

On the Amiga, when the platform died in the middle 90ies, almost everybody went to something more profitable and didn't look back ever.

 
Plus, the Atari scene is not fractured into tiny pieces like the Amiga scene is...

What is it worth to be more people around, when in reality, you are just a much more tiny fraction among many, infighting with some other dweebs about who has the right answer to which Amiga system is the right one to have?


Amiga dweebs could learn a lot from Atari fans these days.

And yet they still don't have a filesystem solution for easy transfer between Atari-PC. The only solution cost some ridiculous 50 euro something.

And they don't have a central file repository like aminet. If you want something you have to search the net and find the thing you want among various cracked/patched/outdated versions ...

speaking about infighting, what do you have to say about this whole ppera vs dbug thing ?

[Britelite]

And yet they still don't have a filesystem solution for easy transfer between Atari-PC. The only solution cost some ridiculous 50 euro something.

So using DOS-formatted disks or a serial-cable isn't easy enough?

[persia]

I suspect the Atari forums are more peaceful because they don't believe in some sort of post apocalypse resurrection of the dead machine.  They're the Unitarians of the computer world.  Amigans, on the other hand are more like the Bob Jones University crowd.

[leszeka33]

I suspect the Atari forums are more peaceful because they don't believe in some sort of post apocalypse resurrection of the dead machine.  

The fastest Amiga with G4 are still faster than a PC with Atom processor.
Software that is written today must work on a PC slower than the fastest G4 Amiga.
You should accept that fact.
Even if the current price of the Amiga are too big for you.

[B00tDisk]

The fastest Amiga with G4 are still faster than a PC with Atom processor.
Software that is written today must work on a PC slower than the fastest G4 Amiga.
You should accept that fact.
Even if the current price of the Amiga are too big for you.

Benchmarks, let's see 'em.

[Darth_X]

And this is different from us Amiga users how?

Its exactly the same. I'd like to buy a complete system on ebay, but you only find pieces..