Isnt there something we can learn from them?

[recidivist]

A  lot of the old C64 ganes are just right for those who want something fun and not too darn complicated if only the slow loading of the nest portion can be bypassed with jiffyDos or better some solid state drive.The C64 people only expect to have FUN with their stufflthey don't hope to become a major market force.

Why are some here bashing the Atari users?If you don't like that stuff,then don't buy it.(I have  both 520 and 1040 plus  some 800s;and it  seemed to me that Atari niche was musicians at the same time Amiga niche was video.)Now the sound cards in x86 PCs have more processor than the whole computer of the early 80s)Things change.

[beller]

A  lot of the old C64 ganes are just right for those who want something fun and not too darn complicated if only the slow loading of the nest portion can be bypassed with jiffyDos or better some solid state drive.The C64 people only expect to have FUN with their stufflthey don't hope to become a major market force.

Why are some here bashing the Atari users?If you don't like that stuff,then don't buy it.(I have  both 520 and 1040 plus  some 800s;and it  seemed to me that Atari niche was musicians at the same time Amiga niche was video.)Now the sound cards in x86 PCs have more processor than the whole computer of the early 80s)Things change.

I remember the first time I used the 64 again after 20+ years, I remembered the slow loads but I'd forgotten how slow they really were.  Makes you appreciate just about every other computer.  Haven't gone to jiffydos, but my FastLoad cart does get a workout!

Atari certainly went after musicians.  My recollection is that they were the only system with midi built-in at the time.  Musicians, given the choice, usually went with the ST.  No need to hate, the wars are long over!  Can't we all just get along! ;>

[Tension]

You guys live under rocks, obviously even I know more about the current Atari community, which is somewhat scary. The least you can do is to try out Aranym with AFROS to see what relatively modern Atari usage is about: http://aranym.sourceforge.net/

lol

[Varthall]

Sadly, lots.
It's their "selling mantra" for "outsiders", an attempt to delude people into thinking that "amiga is back", and there's plenty of people in the "community" who buys into this, sadly. It's like a mental hospital with Hyperion (currently) as the local Napoleon, allthough with Hyperion I have this feeling that they are playing with the other patients minds on purpose to generate some profit.

I am one of those people who has bought, and supports Hyperion's products. I find it funny that you have that opinion about me and other users without even knowing why I have made this choice. It's either this, or for strange reason you think that people like me shouldn't enjoy using OS4.x, and/or shouldn't spend their money on products they're interested in.

Varthall

[beller]

lol

I discovered a site a few years ago that made me think about checking out the Atari ST systems.  The site, http://www.myatari.com has everything (literally) Atari in either new or used condition.  How do they have new STs?  They build them, apparently from parts.  It seems they grabbed the warehouse when Atari first closed.

Heck they even have new Lynx systems!

Wish we had an Amiga related store with a similar retro stock!  As I said, I almost bought an ST just to see what I'd been avoiding since the '80s!

Bob

[huronking]

All joking aside, the ST was mighty stable and smooth as a powerful midi sequencer. I mean, seriously- it was solid enough to use on stage (it was up to you how to mount it in a rack out of sight) back then, something the PC still isnt reliable enough for.

It didnt do much else very well, but I have to give it props as a midi platform.

[Tension]

All joking aside, the ST was mighty stable and smooth as a powerful midi sequencer. I mean, seriously- it was solid enough to use on stage (it was up to you how to mount it in a rack out of sight) back then, something the PC still isnt reliable enough for.

It didnt do much else very well, but I have to give it props as a midi platform.

Yeah.  It's basically a glorified Sequencer.

An Alesis MMT-8, only with a sh1tty screen included.

[koaftder]

All joking aside, the ST was mighty stable and  something the PC still isnt reliable enough for.

Somebody needs to send Aphex Twin an email and let him know about that, he's been using PC's running windows on stage for years.

[Crom00]

Somebody needs to send Aphex Twin an email and let him know about that, he's been using PC's running windows on stage for years.

When you control the environment and use a PC for one task it's stable. Uber picky TV networks that frown and scoff on NewTek's VIDEO TOASTER AMIGA legacy are using the Tricaster and love it due to it's stability. The reason it's stable is becuase it's a controlled Windows environment combined with stable tested hardware used for just one task.

If you install other 3rd party software you void the warranty.

And yes I prefer the Amiga and all that good stuff but I think a lot of folks make comments here yet how many have used the PC or heck Amiga to pay the rent?

[coldfish]

With the benefit of emulation it's now pretty easy to compare these old 16bit systems.  What's surprising is how similar many ST versions of games are to Amiga.  Of course OS junkies will say Amiga OS is better, but for the rest of us many games aren't that different.

Makes me question if the custom hardware approach to system design was really so much better than cheap 'n cheerful off-the-shelf.

[Vulture]

@coldfish

Many games are pretty similar, that's true, but that's only because they were directly ported from ST to Amiga.

[kolla]

I am one of those people who has bought, and supports Hyperion's products. I find it funny that you have that opinion about me and other users without even knowing why I have made this choice. It's either this, or for strange reason you think that people like me shouldn't enjoy using OS4.x, and/or shouldn't spend their money on products they're interested in.

Varthall

You missunderstood me, I was probably using the wrong words. With "bought into" I didnt mean their products, but their ... gospel.

[Varthall]

You missunderstood me, I was probably using the wrong words. With "bought into" I didnt mean their products, but their ... gospel.

Aha, sorry for that then. I think also that their marketing approach is a bit too much geared towards creating hype. At least I'm usually immune to marketing blurb :-)

Varthall

[redrumloa]

I completely agree with you. I've been back in the Amiga scene for about 5 months and I've gotta say that things are really weird around here. On the one hand, you've got some really smart and friendly people who really make this community shine. But on the other, I see a lot of hate filled, mean people who are so quick to slam others. And as you said, it's a hobby. People have hobbies to relax and have fun, right? So why all the 'tudes around here? We really could learn a lot from the Atari, Apple and 8bit Commodore users. It would be nice if we had a unified front some day.

Well actually when it come to people's attitudes, the Commodore 8bit community is no different. Many people are very helpful, but there are very angry hate filled individuals who explode, rant and attack others at the first opportunity. I have not heard a better explanation than Nerd Rage, so it is either that or  Internet Tough Guy Syndrome.

[countzero]

With the benefit of emulation it's now pretty easy to compare these old 16bit systems.  What's surprising is how similar many ST versions of games are to Amiga.  Of course OS junkies will say Amiga OS is better, but for the rest of us many games aren't that different.

me thinks somebody hasn't seen Shadow of the Beast on ST :afro:

or Great Giana sisters ... A platform game with no scrolling ! :laughing: even c64 does a better job !

[ChaosLord]

With the benefit of emulation it's now pretty easy to compare these old systems. What's surprising is how many ST  games are complete crap compared to Amiga.