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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2010, 09:51:29 AM »
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You know, I'd probably buy that!
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2010, 10:12:41 AM »
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2010, 11:09:27 AM »
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I wouldn't.


I would. :hammer:
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2010, 11:25:30 AM »
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I would. :hammer:


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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2010, 11:56:44 AM »
Me three! The moment I saw this X1000 thing still clinging to the PPC ISA I wrote it off as more of the same.

Pfft! momementum's already spent.
 

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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2010, 12:53:22 PM »
I've put on my rose tinted glasses and am hoping the excitement (well, among some) created by the announcement is capitalized on and we do see a next generation Amiga.

Sure, price will be a factor on how many of us choose to buy but hey, I've spent stupid amounts of $ since I decided to get my miggys out of the garage a few years ago so I may well decide to spend some more stupid amounts of my $ on this thing.

To keep the momentum going Hyperion need to keep feeding us info, if they stop talking now then my short attention span will move on to something else...

I'd like to see them incorporate UAE into the os so you can -ala vista- run legacy apps in 68k compatibility mode and I'd like to have the option of booting into UAE.

The thing to remember is that we're not in the 80's no more, normal people
just don't get excited about new computers, its only us old farts trying to relive the glory days that will give a toss about it being called an Amiga so they need  to make it something special, kinda like what Apple did with Ipods, everyone had mp3 players already, but Apple made Ipods cool and everyone wanted one even though to get music onto them was a PIA compared to drag n drop on other mp3s... marketing.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2010, 12:59:12 PM »
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Oh, don't get me even close to started on Apple. I refuse to buy into that at any price. My business parter wanted to GIVE me an I-phone for Christmas so we can start developing Apps and such. He was even willing to give me that and go half on an I-book, for development. I refused and would rather stick with my 4 year old Palm Treo then look at a modern Apple product. I leave the Apple stuff to him ONLY. Even if Mr.Jobs himself, called me up and personally sent a private jet, and flew me down to Apple HQ, to present an I Device in person, I would just laugh and hang up on him(probably call him an idiot to his face).

You know Someone once told me that you should ignore what someone says about you if they can't get your name right.

The irrational hatred of Apple and their products amazes me. I think it's ridiculous.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2010, 01:23:36 PM »
@BigBenAussie

Video and image processing
Telecommunications
Military and aerospace
Radar and Sonar
Speech recognition
Industrial Control
Vetronics

If this is the other markets then anyone that hope for a future for Amiga should be bursting with pride. No more hobbyists only, unusable, retarded, to low spec, vapor, idiot, pathetic,  not too mac, not too pc, wrong board, wrong memory, wrong cpu, wrong color of board, wrong layout of board, Too not Amiga 500 in cpu speed, delusional dreamer, raving lunatic hardware.

Just new cool Amiga with special features.  That's good enough for me at least. :)
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2010, 01:44:21 PM »
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It just amazes me on how ANYBODY can get excited about a product/company that is know to bend over their consumers and charge 40000% mark up.


Quarkx,

I have a proposal to make you rich on the back of the Amiga people !

You design a new Amiga, arrange the production etc. You determine the price. I pay the upfront production cost. Until my costs are recouped I get all the sales cost, afterwards we split the profit.

The only extra requirement I may put is that if my upfront costs are too high I may demand a certain number of prepaid pre-orders. This is open for discussion.

Given your comments, this should be able to make you a rich man !

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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2010, 01:50:32 PM »
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The irrational hatred of Apple and their products amazes me. I think it's ridiculous.


I don't get it either. Their products are solid and sell well. It doesn't make any sense for a developer to be a platform purist, that's a quick way to become obsolete and wind up collecting unemployment. In 10 years of software development I'd say 80% of all the APIs and platforms I've learned and developed for I could just ball up and toss in the trash as they aren't even relevant today.
 

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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2010, 02:06:56 PM »
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I don't get it either. Their products are solid and sell well. It doesn't make any sense for a developer to be a platform purist, that's a quick way to become obsolete and wind up collecting unemployment. In 10 years of software development I'd say 80% of all the APIs and platforms I've learned and developed for I could just ball up and toss in the trash as they aren't even relevant today.

Mostly I think it boils down to human nature, "us vs them". You see it in you tube comments with the brain dead "MACS CARNT PLAY GAYMS DDUUURF" comments, you see it on amiga sites where it's "how dare they have actually had competent management! How dare they not fail on a wave of bad marketing, canceled projects and unnecessary products! FREEEEEDOOOOOM". Except with the Amiga lunatics it's worse, a combination of Severe jealousy and bitterness, powder coated with the usual.

For an actual software developer to think that way is like getting to choose between your own weight in gold, or to ignore it and play on train tracks instead. Absolute lunacy.

EDIT: I just spotted he's a palm user as well. Yep, bitterness and jealousy.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2010, 02:24:45 PM »
I don't imagine there's any valid reason - other than lack of a developer support - why modern Mac's can't play the gamut of PC games. It's the same hardware nowadays.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2010, 02:57:29 PM »
Hopefully they are working on the applications which get included as standard with the OS:
 - Optical media writing wizard
 - Web Browser with Flash, modern PDF, CCS etc support
 - Networking built in so it isn't treated as an add-on app
 - Chat client to work with Skype, MSN etc
 - Basic video editing akin to Movie Maker or the free Mac one
(these are examples and a far from endless list)

Instead of bashing other platforms, we must look at what they have done which make them so attractive and popular to so many people (even if not to you). For example, people with a digital music player would not buy a new platform unless it supported their device. People with a digital camera (which is a huge percentage of computer users) will not buy it if they cannot connect their camera and manage their images.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2010, 03:42:10 PM »
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I don't imagine there's any valid reason - other than lack of a developer support - why modern Mac's can't play the gamut of PC games. It's the same hardware nowadays.


especially when you can just boot into xp on the mac and play the latest titles, providing your hardware is up to par. I blame direct x and steam.
 

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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2010, 03:44:02 PM »
@AndyFC
I believe infrastructure components that you would expect, like networking, should be included in the operating system, and possibly very basic apps provided, but I contend that Hyperion shouldn't go further than that.

And now without further ado.... my obligatory treatise on spurring a viable Amiga software market.

I believe the eventual goal should be a viable and sustainable software market, which entices developers to take part for financial reward(even if only for sustenance), and with competition to drive the quality and features of that software to new heights. There is a danger that if you include software with the OS that is too good from the outset you let the air out of the balloon and potentially undercut developers and curtail software development.

A viable software market is important because it is clear that competition results in software of higher quality. There is a reason for the term "Commercial Quality" and that is what I believe we must strive for.

Ultimately, free applications are a false economy which only hurts the platform in the long run. It is often commented, that like anything, if software is given away for free, it is typically considered of little or no value. Regardless of whether it is true or not, of course, it is the general perception that unfortunately pervades in the general public. The mentality that everything must come for free is also anathema to a sustainable software market. It might sound aggressively capitalistic, but without people willing to pay for software, there will be little impetus to further software development, such is the case at the moment. Of course, piracy is an issue that arguably hurt the classic platform in the long run and we should be vigilant of the return of such a mentality.
 
I understand that the AmigaOS is on life support, and that to some extent, free software is a necessity right now. However, love of the platform can only get you so far, if it wont put food on the table. As the userbase (hopefully) grows and applications mature a software landscape overrun with free software will hurt progress. I am supportive of bounties and ports that enhance software development for every developer or create integral operating system features for every user, but contend that actual applications and games should be paid for. Bounty amounts are but charity and are not the main motivation for the task. However, free early beta downloads and shareware are most acceptable.

Microsoft is a master of providing just enough in their solutions to allow software developers to flourish. They provide all manner of tools but they are careful to never plug up all the holes in their tech.... and they do that on purpose. I can't tell you how many Microsoft technologies I have come across that provide little more than scaffolding. They know that it is in their best interests to nourish third party software and third party service providers to increase their technology's market share. The feedback loop of vested interests promote that technology further.

Hyperion should take aspects of Microsoft's approach with Windows, as AmigaOS is also commercial proprietary OS, and the most successful one at that. AmigaOS is not Linux, which pretty much throws everything in bar the kitchen stink(not a typo). Linux typically only succeeds when businesses pay for it in a service capacity(such as is the case with RedHat and Novell for instance), and I believe the services sector is most unlikely to be a viable form of revenue for the Amiga. There is no denying that the approach I am advocating has helped Apple's iPhone software market, while in contrast, their Mac software market with, what appears to me, to be the alternative approach of providing so much software up front with the OS, is often criticised for the sparsity of its software market. When you provide iLife with each new Mac I believe you get significantly fewer companies bothering to raise the bar in those areas and I contend that this could be the case with any application software bundled with AmigaOS.

Imagine how much great software the Amiga platform would have if developers could make a living from it. United in cause, all Amiga users and developers have the power to make this a reality.
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Re: How will Hyperion continue the momentum?
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 10, 2010, 03:54:32 PM »
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Oh, don't get me even close to started on Apple. I refuse to buy into that at any price. My business parter wanted to GIVE me an I-phone for Christmas so we can start developing Apps and such. He was even willing to give me that and go half on an I-book, for development. I refused and would rather stick with my 4 year old Palm Treo then look at a modern Apple product. I leave the Apple stuff to him ONLY. Even if Mr.Jobs himself, called me up and personally sent a private jet, and flew me down to Apple HQ, to present an I Device in person, I would just laugh and hang up on him(probably call him an idiot to his face).


You do know that anti-fanboys are just as bad as or worse than normal fanboys?
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