Hyperion/A-EON introduce us to the AmigaOne X1000. A new beginning?

[recidivist]

But PPC Macs can run Windows up to and including XP Professional  in emulation .

Being a hobbyist and home user,I COULD set up my G4 to boot  into Mac OS Leopard,Ubuntu (or another)  Linux,or MorphOS.

Run Windows using Virtual PC in Mac OS.

Run OS4 emulation in Morph OS ?

Probably can run some emulators of old consoles in MacOS or even run emulators in Windows (itself running in emulation).

Might have to rename my computer Sybil.

[jj]

I bet running winXP under emualtion on a G4 Mac mini would be slooooooooowwwww

[rebraist]

You have expensive taste.

:laughing: no. mine are cheapest. i'm an "arosian":afro:

[tone007]

I bet running winXP under emualtion on a G4 Mac mini would be slooooooooowwwww

I've run Win2000 in VirtualPC on a G3 iBook.  It was sluggish, but usable believe it or not.

[pampers]

I bet running winXP under emualtion on a G4 Mac mini would be slooooooooowwwww

It's actually not that bad with VirtualPC.

[persia]

Not as bad as a battery acid enema that is...

It's actually not that bad with VirtualPC.

[Karlos]

but those who want os4 won't buy a g5 mac. on a g5 mac won't run win7.
if i want a red "apple" why have i to buy a yellow one?
it's a matter of taste.

They won't buy it simply because it isn't an option as the  moana project is dead. If it were an option, I dare say plenty would consider it. I know I would.

As it is, a second hand PPC mac is a very interesting proposition at the moment as MOS2 is the only amigoid OS that is missing from my collection.

[gdanko]

Good question, indeed.

To illustrate the point: I could get 4 (including MorphOS licenses to each) dual-G5 2.5GHz systems for price of one X1000 (assuming conservative £1500 price, not "north of"). Most often these systems also include Mac OS X which also is a nice bonus.

Exactly my point. A mid-range PowerMac G5 will offer plenty of power for any sort of "modern Amiga" task at a fraction of the price of the X1000.

[gdanko]

Clearly not. But those who objectively compare MorphOS and OS4 might actually get MorphOS instead, especially when the hardware is so much more affordable.

This further solidifies my point and also begs the question. What can OS4 do that MorphOS can't? People use OS4 for roughly the same reasons people use MorphOS. OS4 has a pretty limited and expensive set of hardware you can run it on. Yeah the SAM is cheap but it's pretty archaic as well.

[illy5603]

You know what architecture would also make a great platform for a modern Amiga? The millions of intel based systems on the market...

[Karlos]

Clearly not. But those who objectively compare MorphOS and OS4 might actually get MorphOS instead, especially when the hardware is so much more affordable.

Unfortunately, I don't think any such people exist now. All those that were able to make objective comparisons have already done so and made their choice.

What's left are people that will stick only with OS4 or MOS on principle.

Or at least that's how it seems these days.

[Iggy]

Unfortunately, I don't think any such people exist now. All those that were able to make objective comparisons have already done so and made their choice.

What's left are people that will stick only with OS4 or MOS on principle.

Or at least that's how it seems these days.

Frankly, I don't think objectivity blinds one from making a choice based on qualitative judgments.
Both OS have a similar price. Both are 32bit, don't support SMP, and run on PPC processors.
But MorphOS is slightly more refined, faster in many operations, and supports lower cost hardware.
AmigaOS supports new hardware, may soon support more advanced graphics cards, and well they're allowed to call it AmigaOS.
While I admire A-eon's new design, I'll probably stick with Macs and MorphOS.

But in no way does this mean I'm not happy AOS4 is available (or AROS for that matter). It should be much easier to develop titles that work amongst these OS', then it would be to port software from the outside. And, hey, more options, more users. I think the perception that MorphOS users don't value other Amiga descended OS' relates to our posts about specific advantages we believe our OS offers. It's not one upsmanship, or bias, its just based one experience and frequent comparisons.

Again, I really hope AOS remains viable and the hardware vendors for it succeed in finding their market.
Also, I'm really impressed with the progress of AROS.
MorphOS without Genesi is actually looking better than ever.
Its nice to have all these choices.

[Karlos]

I think OS4/MOS in particular need each other more than most users care to admit.

Sure, you get fanbois on either side that like to slate the opposition at every opportunity, but they are, without exception, idiots, in my book.

As long as both OS4 and MOS exist, there is competition and with that progression overall. If either one died, it is very unlikely it's user base would migrate over (hell would probably have to freeze first) and you'd be left with one expensive proprietary OS on fundamentally obsolete hardware that, in the absence of it's old sparring partner as a metric, has absolutely nothing to offer over free alternatives on up-to-date hardware. Only the most dedicated users would remain.

[Iggy]

I think OS4/MOS in particular need each other more than most users care to admit.

Sure, you get fanbois on either side that like to slate the opposition at every opportunity, but they are, without exception, idiots, in my book.

As long as both OS4 and MOS exist, there is competition and with that progression overall. If either one died, it is very unlikely it's user base would migrate over (hell would probably have to freeze first) and you'd be left with one expensive proprietary OS on fundamentally obsolete hardware that, in the absence of it's old sparring partner as a metric, has absolutely nothing to offer over free alternatives on up-to-date hardware. Only the most dedicated users would remain.

On this point, I think we wholly agree. Just like AMD's competition forced Intel to develop an alternative to their Netburst/P4 architecture, competition amongst Amiga like OS' will keep driving development.
And when you think about it, we're not competing on identical platforms.
For everyone that keeps insisting either MorphOS or AmigaOS should be ported to the X86 architecture, hey that product already exists. Its called AROS. AmigaOS provides a recognizable name on some interesting new hardware. And finally, MorphOS has been running on Amigas since the the shift to PPC began and is still evolving to support more platforms.

As factions amongst us argue over specific points, the larger point is somehow missed. With all this activity, things are going pretty good for our community.

Does anyone out there miss Amiga Inc? Since the settlement in Hyperion's favor, interest and the pace of development seems to have increased.

[persia]

And this is different to the current situation in what way?

If either one died, it is very unlikely it's user base would migrate over (hell would probably have to freeze first) and you'd be left with one expensive proprietary OS on fundamentally obsolete hardware that, in the absence of it's old sparring partner as a metric, has absolutely nothing to offer over free alternatives on up-to-date hardware. Only the most dedicated users would remain.

We currently have two expensive proprietary OSs on fundamentally obsolete hardware that have absolutely nothing to offer over free alternatives on up-to-date hardware. Only the most dedicated users remain.

[Iggy]

And this is different to the current situation in what way?

We currently have two expensive proprietary OSs on fundamentally obsolete hardware that have absolutely nothing to offer over free alternatives on up-to-date hardware. Only the most dedicated users remain.

Except that, so far, the free alternatives haven't proven to be stable enough.
Linux developers have made this argument for years and have made little inroad into Windows' and OSX's market.
While I like AROS, I don't consider 111 euros too expensive for a MorphOS license (the developers aren't making any real income on this one).

And, as to the statement that only the most dedicated remain, I see old users returning and people who didn't use Amiga equipment joining our community.
If you think we can match the development resources devoted to pushing the continuously upgraded systems present in Apple and PC markets you're deluded.
But, I do see our niche market slowly expanding, NOT collapsing.

Do you think the the phrase under your names is:

A)  an old Judas Priest album
B)  A religious zealots devotion
C)  or was the phrase chosen to make a point?