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Re: New Hyperion Entertainment Website http://a-eon.com/ - The Mystery Continues
« Reply #389 from previous page: January 05, 2010, 02:18:29 PM »
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Well I assuming they been busy giveing AOS4 some dual core supprt or will be pretty pointless.  Unless they intend doing the work later on.
 
Lets be real people.  This will be at least twice the cost of a SAM.  Its a complete ssytem tehy will be selling.  I reckon easy Mac prices


While the rest of the world is looking at Sub $500 notebooks and Sub $300 netbooks while buying less desktops.
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If its priced in the same region as a Powermac then its gonna have its work cut out to succeed in the high end market. Why would anyone, who is in that market segment gonna fork out for an x1000 when they can get a a high end mac with a huge back catalogue of industry standard apps - Photoshop, Quark etc etc? Even if OS4 is reworked to harness the full power of the hardware, where are the other high end apps that high end users need/expect to justify the expense?

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P.S. OpenOffice would be nice as well - but that'll never happen!!

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Y'all have to be smokin crack through a pipe to believe this could compete with Mac or PC. This will be a niche machine at best...and maybee they'll get some embedded uses or  some industry will use it like some form of industrial PC or appliance.

At best we can hope that this becomes the leading RETRO PC or hobby project pc of choice (folks will potentially run Atari Falcon ,C64, Old Game Console, Amiga cores) and the Fast OS4.

Within that space I would expect thousands of units to be sold, if it really takes off... tens of thousands.
 

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I don't understand why they even mention the Sam440?  The Sam could have been considered entry-level 8 or 9 years ago when <700mhz PPC's were still in common use.  By today's standards it's just laughably inferior, vastly overpriced junk.

Good God just when I thought somebody had finally come up with a sensible, realistic, modern piece of Amiga hardware for the first time in over 25 years... now it looks like they're gonna screw it all up *yet again* with a stupidly high price tag.  I sincerely hope they're not going to try and use the Sam as a benchmark of entry-level pricing?!

This new system HAS to be realistically priced.  By that I mean comparable to simlarly-specced offerings from other computer companies.  It can't be priced like it's old namesake Teron boards or it will just be another epic failure, and the Amiga market simply cannot afford another one of those.

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We DEFINITELY need a 100% working CSS capable Flash supporting browser.  Otherwise it'll be of no use to most people.  Especially the way things are set to change in the next few years.  The OS is becoming more irrelevant, and everything will eventually be done through a browser.

P.S. OpenOffice would be nice as well - but that'll never happen!!


If its going to appeal to non-Amiga users, then it'll need a browser people are familiar with from outside of the Amiga, Aros, MOS communities. Puts the pressure on a fully functioning Firefox port. It also needs to draw the developer community in from outside if its going to have a fighting chance to succeed.

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You are living in a time when there was countless possibilities for many platforms to be mass-market. Amiga will never reach the Linux/Mac/Windows of this world (in the desktop market at least). So it will never be a "pile it high, sell it cheap" model.

Who will buy them if you ran off 1 million+ boards to get the price down to under 300 pounds?
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Aiming at the professional market first is a smart move imo. It will ensure a backbone for further development. And I don't mind having to wait if it turns out to be too far out of my reach price-wise.

The professional OS4 market?
 

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@Lando

You are living in a time when there was countless possibilities for many platforms to be mass-market. Amiga will never reach the Linux/Mac/Windows of this world (in the desktop market at least). So it will never be a "pile it high, sell it cheap" model.

Who will buy them if you ran off 1 million+ boards to get the price down to under 300 pounds?


Only real volume C= made money on was the A500/A600/A1200 because they were not asking an arm and a leg like they were for the big box Amigas.  You have to be able to sell it to the masses else your limiting yourself to OS4 users who needs to replace their A1s, Pegs, or SAM440s.
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Only real volume C= made money on was the A500/A600/A1200 because they were not asking an arm and a leg like they were for the big box Amigas.  You have to be able to sell it to the masses else your limiting yourself to OS4 users who needs to replace their A1s, Pegs, or SAM440s.


Not necessarily. You could build a high end machine targeted at a very specific audience provided it has top-notch apps. Or alternatively has what Apple has done very successfully have cult status. Such a business model would be low volume high margin. The Amiga has cult status but it’s lacking high end apps.

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There is no professional market for the Amiga.

Maybe not now. But there is a potential market to tap into. Id seriously concider acquiring one to aid in, for example, film making if I could for instance make it control camera movements with that Xmos thingy.
 

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Not necessarily. You could build a high end machine targeted at a very specific audience provided it has top-notch apps. Or alternatively has what Apple has done very successfully have cult status. Such a business model would be low volume high margin. The Amiga has cult status but it’s lacking high end apps.

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Exactly my point.
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Maybe not now. But there is a potential market to tap into. Id seriously concider acquiring one to aid in, for example, film making if I could for instance make it control camera movements with that Xmos thingy.

And you would buy this over other products which do the same thing because...?
 

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True, but a niche machine that just might sell a few tens of thousands.  You don't have to take on the big guys to survive, just carve out a big enough niche.  A lot of companies work this way.  

The X1000 is a decent low mid-range computer that has some unique features, these features are a hook that will grab hobbyists who are interested in something different.  Combined with clever advertising, they can do well.  



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Y'all have to be smokin crack through a pipe to believe this could compete with Mac or PC. This will be a niche machine at best...and maybee they'll get some embedded uses or  some industry will use it like some form of industrial PC or appliance.

At best we can hope that this becomes the leading RETRO PC or hobby project pc of choice (folks will potentially run Atari Falcon ,C64, Old Game Console, Amiga cores) and the Fast OS4.

Within that space I would expect thousands of units to be sold, if it really takes off... tens of thousands.
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Maybe not now. But there is a potential market to tap into. Id seriously concider acquiring one to aid in, for example, film making if I could for instance make it control camera movements with that Xmos thingy.


Why dont you already do that with for example an NSLU2?
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True, but a niche machine that just might sell a few tens of thousands.  You don't have to take on the big guys to survive, just carve out a big enough niche.  A lot of companies work this way.


What niche could an Amiga possible take?!

There is currently only one single app that is vaguely interesting, and it is Hollywood - there is no _need_ for a powerhouse amiga, there's a desperate need for _low price_ amiga.

The idea that X1000 must be high end because the A1000 was high end is just bogus - it was not the A1000 that made amiga, it was much more the A500 that made the amiga popular and that earned money. This platform desperatly needs more developers, what is needed is cheap hardware and a unique and excellent developer environment - expencive hardware and crippled OS does not attract anything.

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The X1000 is a decent low mid-range computer that has some unique features, these features are a hook that will grab hobbyists who are interested in something different.  Combined with clever advertising, they can do well.


What unique features? The only unique feature I can see is the price. The only thing different with it is this useless xorro slot and whatever junk they put in it - the same junk can also be bought on PCI/PCIe cards and be used on PCs, but for some weird reason PC builders dont enforce them onto the consumers, like Hyperion is trying to do here.

To call SAM400 "entry level" with the price tag it has is just stupid, my brand new CBM-A1200 in 1994 costed less than SAM440, alot less - that was entry level, and in a time when the PCs costed 4-5 times as much.

But again - if they make Amiga keyboards for the X1000, I'll get a handfull.
And wait for the el cheapo X500, or whatever they will call it.
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