PowerUP vs WarpOS.. what was it all about again?

[Gavilan]

And more is covered here.

WarpUP was abandoned later on (obviously because everyone could see it was such a mess to begin with, and no way could be used for any basis of future AmigaOS. Also, for some incomprehensible reason it was mostly written in assembler, thus make it quite impossible to work with). It was never used as any base for future AmigaOS.

On the other hand the concepts and ideas of PowerUP (as laid out in ppc.library) were used as basis when designing MorphOS. The very first MorphOS releases could run old PowerUP apps transparently.

Haage&Partner did more damage than many of you can imagine. In addition to bringing forth WarpUP and concepts within, the also:
- Released AmigaOS 3.5 without promised TCP/IP stack (still advertised to have one!)
- Stole AmiTCP/IP for AmigaOS 3.9
- Mauled Amithlon

Interestingly Haage&Partner's license to develop and distribute AmigaOS is considered "terminated" (page 40).

@Piru: what you say here is very interesting. I (and i think many "middle-entry" Amiga users) always had the impression that WarpUp whas THE choice, the path to go, and that PowerUP was poorly and badly written, with less compatibility, more issues, etc etc

I think all mags in that era were also "fascinated" by Warp Up, and since in that times i had no Internet, my only source of information about Amiga were the Amiga mags (mostly british).

Now, after reading all this, i feel like breaking a "myth" that surrounded all this WarpUp vs. PowerUp thing...

I remember many moons ago, first time i installed PowerUp, i inmediately changed and installed WarpUp with PowerUp emulation...i wanted to try Wipeout2097 so so badly...never ever got trough main screen tough.

Never tried that again, and i switched back to "Classic Amiga with no PPC".
Later on, some ready-to-go packages did all what was difficult, easy so..i never tried all that stuff again (A real pity, since i own all PPC Amiga games that were released during that time and later). But, imagine, i had so so much trouble setting up T-Zero to play correctly in my machine...you can imagine what kind of Amiga user i am.. :lol:

Thanks for all the info and clarification

[cgutjahr]

Wait. You mean by using BPPCFix I wont be able to run PowerUP software under emulation either?

No, that's the exact opposite of what I said. You can't run PowerUp software initially, but right now you should be concerned about setting WarpUp properly. You can install PowerUp emulation later on, once your other problems are solved.

kkthx. will try this out tonight.
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do I now select the compatible version or the lastest version during install?
[...]
I recall there was some flashupdate that removed parts of ppc.library allowing...

Don't do any of this. Do exactly what I told you in my first post - and nothing else. Then report back about any problems you encountered.

I thought you were joking about your "20th reinstall this month", but I'm starting to believe you were sincere.

[zylesea]

I remember many moons ago, first time i installed PowerUp, i inmediately changed and installed WarpUp with PowerUp emulation...i wanted to try Wipeout2097 so so badly...never ever got trough main screen tough.

While WO2097 actually did run on my old PowerUp setup (do you have the latest CGX for 68k?) it never was fast enough. Only when I switched to MorphOS on that maschine it finally ran conveniently fast without major problems (requires a special loader though). Played it later on on my Pegasos quite a lot, should dig out te CD and install it on my Mac mini...

[rvo_nl]

I thought you were joking about your "20th reinstall this month", but I'm starting to believe you were sincere.

Lol, I think you've missed my previous posts in the hardware topic. Im a returning Amiga user since the beginning of this month. last time I touched an Amiga was in 2001 or something. So pelase forgive me of any mistakes Im making

I bought all the hardware in my signature altogether and am now trying to get everything working together as it should. Its also the first time Im using OS3.9 / OS4.0, so ive still got some catching-up to do. if this wasnt apparent from my post, I think Im doing quite well actually
 
As for the reinstalls, thats okay. I'll keep reinstalling (which takes only 15 minutes in total anyway) until Ive got everything working just the way I want to. And that is the hardest part. its not the easiest hardware/software config to get right.
 
Thanks for your help. Hope to have some time tonight to try out things.

[cgutjahr]

So pelase forgive me of any mistakes Im making

I'm not concerned about your mistakes (I'm the world's biggest expert on making mistakes when dealing with computers), I'm concerned about your approach.

All the information you need for now is in my first post. You can of course continue to do 20 things at the same time, reflash the BlizzardPPC, install some extremely outdated and useless 'compatible v7' version of WarpUp or make your life a misery because you want to run PowerUp software right now, even if you don't know any PowerUp software - or you could just follow the step by step instruction above

[rvo_nl]

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or you could just follow the step by step instruction above

I will. Obviously a misunderstanding/misread on my side.

[x303]

First of all: BPPCFix kills the ppc.library, i.e. it removes  PowerUp from your system. You can't run any PowerUp software anymore  (unless you install the PowerUp emulation, but that's another story), so  you don't need to be worried about PowerUp software messing up your  system.

Well, you can try to run powerup programs with runelf.

x303

[rvo_nl]

Once WipeOut and the OS 3.9 picture datatype (which uses the PowerPC for rescaling pictures, IIRC) work fine, you can install other stuff.

Okay, I installed everything again and this time it worked. Workbench backdrop loaded, wipeout runs, no termination requesters. Thanks!
 
HOWEVER....
 
please compare these 2 pictures:



above is how it looks on my machine, below is a screengrab taken from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OkvNlBXgE

on youtube.
 
compare the lensflares.. Im missing something! The lighing looks completely dull in the game aswell.

could be something simple, but I dont know what it is.. any ideas?

[Crumb]

@rvo_nl

install MorphOS and run both WarpOS and PowerUp apps/games without problems :-)

compare the lensflares.. Im missing something! The lighing looks completely dull in the game aswell.

could be something simple, but I dont know what it is.. any ideas?

Have you installed latest Warp3D drivers?

[Mad-Matt]

Latest Warp3d is what has broken Wipeout.  Some changes were made in newer warp3d drivers to make voodoo cards work. Something todo with alpha bending if I remember right.  Its sort of emulated/aproximated on the bvision.  I imagine the game could have been recompiled/fixed, but the devs just dropped dead after the game was released.

[TheGoose]

Hated WarpOS for f-ing up the whole thing and confusing the whole situation. Only thing it did for me is crash my computer and make me drink more.:drink:

[rvo_nl]

Latest Warp3d is what has broken Wipeout. Some changes were made in newer warp3d drivers to make voodoo cards work. Something todo with alpha bending if I remember right. Its sort of emulated/aproximated on the bvision. I imagine the game could have been recompiled/fixed, but the devs just dropped dead after the game was released.

I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?

[Piru]

I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?

You wouldn't believe the bugs and mess that was found inside and surrounding Warp3D. Suffice to say, the problems related to Warp3D is the best testament to the code/driver quality. Even the Warp3D examples themselves do countless "illegal" things, such as poking internal Warp3D structures.

Some interesting notes can be found from Goa3D Graphics Library page.

Plans regarding W3D future have changed considerable over the years. Here are some snippets:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2001-05-00286-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2001-11-00209-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-09-00214-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-11-00058-EN.html
etc.

Interestingly Warp3D was already declared "semi-dead" in 2005 by the developers (post #29) in favor of Mesa. It looks like as if MiniGL would be dead as well.

For 68k the story is even sadder though: You're unlikely to see any more updates to Warp3D. Basically you're left on your own to find out how to get the setup as stable as possible.

[rvo_nl]

@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun

[Painkiller]

@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun

There is no such thing as a stable Amiga with PPC All you get is a headache. My advise to you is to get a Mac Mini with MOS or SAM with AOS and leave the classic Amiga as 68k.

[Mad-Matt]

I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?

I dont remember for sure, but I think Warp3D v4.0 is on the game disc. Sure bet that that will work.