Netsurf V3.0 Amiga release 2

[unusedunused]

when i type in netsurf http://www.amigaworld.net it work ok.I see when click on the link the problem too.


I find now out that netsurf scroll is 3* faster when use 32 bit.if you use 16 bit wb, then this setting can help to start netsurf in fullscreen mode.

best is when user let run netsurf on 32 bit.

to do that change in Options file

fullscreen:1

and some lines below

fb_depth:32

>A general observation is that Netsurf in a 800x600 window on a WB of 800x600, both >betsurf and WB at 16bit is much slower than when I set the resolution of both at >1024x768 with 16 bit depth.

You mean when run netsurf only with 800 width do too slowdown ?
 is possible because most pages are larger as 800 Pixel and so netsurf code need clip horizontal.

normaly netsurf should use at 1024 Pixel width so full Page can show without horizontal scroll.

[Tumbleweed]

Running netsurf at 800 width is slower than at 1024, the clipping explains it.

Weed

[Tumbleweed]

I find now out that netsurf scroll is 3* faster when use 32 bit.if you use 16 bit wb, then this setting can help to start netsurf in fullscreen mode.

best is when user let run netsurf on 32 bit.

its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.

Weed

[unusedunused]

>its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from >P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.

maybe you can create a custom resolution 1024*650 or so when your GFX Card have 4 megabyte ram.

But i see that a CV64 3D have 4 megabyte of ram and is able to do 1024*768*32 bit at 70 hz.

http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/phase5_cybervision.html&cart_id=

If gfx Card have 2 megabyte ram, you can maybe create a resolution 1024*400*32 bit.

[MozzerFan]

there need a 16 bit screen.
 
can somebody post time values of show and scroll from top to down of the www.amigaworld.net Page by press of Cursor keys ?
 
Here are values that look really slow
 
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30109&start=0&post_id=523793&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=2#523673

With me it also took about 7 seconds.
 
Netsurf is on a WB 1024x768-16 bits screen and the Netsurf window is 1024x768.
 
With the new version, scrolling is much smoother.

[Tumbleweed]

>its much faster. Only problem is my LCD monitor doesn't support the frequency I get from >P96 and my CV64 3D in 32 bits. Best I can get is 800x600 32 bit.

maybe you can create a custom resolution 1024*650 or so when your GFX Card have 4 megabyte ram.

But i see that a CV64 3D have 4 megabyte of ram and is able to do 1024*768*32 bit at 70 hz.

http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/phase5_cybervision.html&cart_id=

If gfx Card have 2 megabyte ram, you can maybe create a resolution 1024*400*32 bit.

Bernd thanks for this. The most i can get at 1024x768 @ 32 is 54.89 MHz. How can I find out how much memory is on the CV64-3D without opening up the box?

Weed

[Framiga]

if it is a CyberVision64/3D, it have 4 MB of videoram (theres no 2MB versions)

[unusedunused]

I find now out when your GFX Card have a rgb16 screenmode scroll is faster as 32 bit.only a rgb16 pc screenmode is slow

if your screenmode requester offer a rgb16 before rgb16 pc mode, you can use fullscreen and set fb_depth:16. so you can workbench with rgb 16 PC mode.

when use newest winuae in expansion tab, there can set for Pixel mode all and winuae show all Pixel modes.so i cans simulate that on winuae too.

[0amigan0]

@Artur:
The italian site http://ready64.org doesn't display the menu on the left side of the screen.
It works on FireFox (without Javascript). Maybe it's a problem with the rendering engine, in which case u should report it to Netsurf authors ?

[wawrzon]

perhaps it is a known issue that netsurf engine has with frames?

[0amigan0]

perhaps it is a known issue that netsurf engine has with frames?

The above site doesn't have any frames.

[matthey]

The most i can get at 1024x768 @ 32 is 54.89 MHz. How can I find out how much memory is on the CV64-3D without opening up the box?

4 MB should be enough for 1024x768 @ 32. You may need to overclock to get a better refresh rate. The CV64/3D's I played with overclocked a lot. With P96 in Dev:Monitors/CVision3D set these icon tooltypes...

OVERCLOCK=YES
MEMORYCLOCK=70

You can try different memory clock values of course. Don't get carried away. You have to change the frequency of the mode in Picasso96Mode, too.

[unusedunused]

I dont know if overclock is need.

what can get with 50 MHZ Pixelclock, is that not 1024*768*32 with at least 60 hz ?

I get now confirm at amigaworld.net that when set the workbench to a rgb16 mode and not to rgb 16 PC, netsurf scroll too in 2 sec on a classic system.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30109&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#524466

now seem clear, netsurf is not so slow because of SDL graphic and avoid SDL do not help.

graphic speed is boost at factor 3 on his systen, but he get no faster page load times.
but when look on his values they look very slow.maybe amitcp he use is slower

[MozzerFan]

I think the settings in the options file have a lot to do with the speed of netsurf.
 
I've made some test and played with the max fetchers settings, and again netseurf was a little faster.
 
Right now under winuae with a 1680x1050 32-bit wb screen and a 1024x768 netsurf window I use the following settings:
 
min_reflow_period:800
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:24
 
With the old settings, amiga.org used to load in 10 seconds. Now it loads in 6 seconds. Amigaworld.net loads in 3.4 seconds. Scrolling amigaworld.net takes 2 seconds.
 
On my classic, I have to use a really high setting of min reflow period.
Right now on my classic with a 1024x768 16-bit wb screen and a fullscreen netsurf I use the following settings:
 
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:24
 
With the old settings, amiga.org used to load in 39 seconds. Now it loads in 32 seconds. Amigaworld.net loads in 17.4 seconds. Scrolling amigaworld.net takes 7 seconds.
 
If I use winuae without JIT and use the min_reflow period setting of my classic (1700), I get about the same loading times as on my classic.
 
I really think these settings depend on the speed of the system being used, so it may be worth it to try some other settings on your system, and see if it speeds up netsurf.

[MozzerFan]

Made a few more tests. Seems the max cached fetch settings doesn't seem to matter as much as I thought, so I changed it back to 4.
 
Also under winuae it's best to leave min_reflow_period on 500 (with or without jit).
Setting this on 1700 on my classic, wins me 2 seconds when loading amiga.org.
 
With these settings on my classic, the fastest time I got with loading amiga.org was 31.7. The fastest I got with amigaworld was 17.5
 
So these are my current winuae settings:
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
 
 
These are my current classic settings:
min_reflow_period:1700
max_fetchers:12
max_fetchers_per_host:12
max_cached_fetch_handles:4

[unusedunused]

thanks for your results.

The time 17,5 is this load full page ?

what internet stack you use on classic(miami or amitcp) ?

the scroll speed 7 sec is because your GFX card do not support rbg15 mode (no PC)
what gfx Card you have ?