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New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« on: November 06, 2003, 12:48:32 PM »
How cool is this- got my first bunch of questions answered already!!

ok... the next thing on my "to do" list- get a real hard drive in there so I can properly archive all my Amiga software.

currently there is a 120meg hdd in there... but is there a patch or something i need to run (Aminet?) for a 4gig (or more?!) hard disk to run on this machine...?

(Amiga 600, 2.1roms, for those who just joined us)

and... (bonus question....)  the floppy drive is sooo loud compared to my a500... sounds all screechy... will I do damage if I spray WD-40 in there?

Thanks, RW



 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2003, 01:45:29 PM »
If you want to use an HD biggenr than 4gb you need OS3.5 or 3.9...naturally,first you have to upgrade your A600...rom3.1,68020cpu and 6mb fast ram.

PS=it's easyest to buy a new A1200 or an second hand one...
To upgrade your A600 is more expensive and...i think that's also hard to expansions for this Amiga model.
 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2003, 01:59:35 PM »
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If you want to use an HD biggenr than 4gb you need OS3.5 or 3.9...naturally,first you have to upgrade your A600...rom3.1,68020cpu and 6mb fast ram.


That`s true but I have an idea : copy on a floppy or to the HD first partition the 3.5-3.9 c:setpatch and devs:romupdates, running the scsi.module and NOAGA parameter.... would this work?! (Just for beeing able to use >4GB disks, not to boot the whole OS)
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 02:12:21 PM »
@Cass
Nope .....

Setpatch and romupdate need a 3.1 kick to do those tricks.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 03:23:42 PM »
You could give a try to softkick 3.1, and then run the setpatch (you'll lose precious RAM, 512Kb for the remapped kickstart and some more for the rom-modules, so the trapdoor 1 MB expansion is necessary).

I had my A600 with 3.1 softikicked for quiet a long time, and run the AmiTCP for tcp/ip, grapevine for IRC, and a telnet cient to surf with lynx on a remote UniX machine :-) .

P.S. Not tried the above setpatch trick because I had the stock 30MB HD!!! (now it's useless to me, I have a 4GB HD with full 3.9 OS & real 3.1 ROM chip plus a 030@40 CPU :-D ).
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2003, 02:02:44 AM »
OK, 90% of that went way over my head I must admit...  

But you're saying a 4 gig drive WILL work? That might be enough room... I've only got about 400 meg total Amiga data anyway right now.

Here's a tricky one though.... how can I transfer the data from the current hard drive to the new one?  (Besides using 200 floppy disks)... Can I temporarily hook up more than one hard drive and just copy across? or are there not enough wires in there to handle more than one drive?

Also- when I buy the 4 gig hard-drive... it needs to be one for a laptop hey? (not a standard pc one)

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2003, 02:30:43 AM »
No, they are saying that with your current setup it won't work. You would be better off getting a 540-1000MB 2.5" IDE drive. As for transferring data, you can run two drives off the one controller.
 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2003, 09:05:52 AM »
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As for transferring data, you can run two drives off the one controller.


If you're not worried about destroying your data, your drives, or both, using an unbuffered IDE interface.  :-(  Been there, done that.
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2003, 10:37:46 AM »
Oooo...didn't think of that...sorry, then he's better off getting a 2nd hand A1200, or if he has a PC with WinUAE and a couple of "IDE to mini-IDE" converters he could do it. Its amazing what you can do with WinUAE.
 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2003, 11:17:07 AM »
For large hard disks, you need AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 for new FFS or get hold of SFS or PFS3 which also can handle large drives using Direct SCSI methods if you use older WBs:

http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/greed/pfs3support.html

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hjohn/SFS/
 

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2003, 03:06:46 AM »
Sorry to harp on this- but Im about to go buy the new hard drive... your mention of mini-ide converters reminds me:

this A600 has adapters for regular size IDE fittings!  Will that make a difference?

and WHAT can I do with WinUAE? I have it, didn't realise it was more than just a way of playing bubble bobble on my PC. Can I somehow backup my existing data to it or something?

Thanks so much for your help guys...

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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2003, 03:39:20 AM »
This is the adapter a person needs to use a regular 3.5" IDE drive in a 1200 (and I thought in an A600 - I wasn't aware, or I just plain forget, of a regular 40pin IDE interface inside an A600). This particular type was custom made for Computer Answers back in the early 90's by a cabling company who still includes them in their product list (still makes them). They're nicer than the other ones people sell on eBay, they're shielded and wont short out on anything inside your Amiga. They are also physically shorter than the other ones that are out there and hence they fit nicely in your A1200 or 600 regardless of what sort of IDE cable connectors you have. :)

I see the cheaper unshielded version of these selling on eBay for $12-$15 all the time but I got a deal on a wack of them, if anyone needs one or two or ten, I can sell em for $7.50 each and something like $2.00 or less to ship to most places (they fit in an envelope and go as Air Lettermail). Not really trying to sell these here, just mentioning them as an option and trying to be informative; if you can find these elsewhere for less, scoop em up they're worth it.



NOTE: You are better off (and smarter) to use a splitter from your floppy drive's power connector on the motherboard. You need two floppy connectors and one larger 4 pin connector. You get much better (cleaner) power from your floppy power connector than you do from your 44pin ide interface. You can either make these yourself or get one from quite a number of custom cable outfits. I really don't recommend using the power connector shown, although it seems to work fine and some people tell me I'm nuts for suggesting spending money on a different power cord.   :-D
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2003, 03:41:43 AM »
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and WHAT can I do with WinUAE? I have it, didn't realise it was more than just a way of playing bubble bobble on my PC. Can I somehow backup my existing data to it or something?


With Amiga Explorer (included in the Cloanto Amiga Forever pack), you can "network" your Amiga and PC and transfer files between them. I don't think Windows Explorer is available elsewhere, but I'm rather a neophyte when it comes to AUE so somebody else can probably tell you exactly.
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2003, 05:08:40 AM »
You can use UAE as a regular Amiga. Amiga as in pretty much every size and shape of Amiga, plus more. Feel an urge to have 16 meg chipmem and 128 meg fastmem? It's just a few clicks away.

It's not limited to running old stuff from virtual floppies (ADF). Grab a 3.1 ROM image and you can install AOS 3.9 on it.

The only drawback is probably that software that was a bit dodgy on Amiga hardware to begin with will probably kill UAE the split second you try to launch it.
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Re: New big fat Hard-drive in skinny old amiga 600....
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2003, 01:42:40 PM »
@RedWarrior

WinUAE will detect drives that have Amiga partitions on them and you can mount them accordingly, what you could do is create a virtual partition and install WB on that, this way you have something to work with, then you take the drive from your A600 and connect it to your PC's IDE controller using the "IDE to mini-IDE" converter, now fire up WinUAE and you should be able to select the entire A600 drive and mount it. Now you can copy the contents of the A600 drive to another virtual drive. Once done, format your new drive, install it in your PC and copy the contents of the virtual drive to the new drive...does that at all make sense?? Sorry its 12AM and I'm dog tired.