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A500+ Internet
« on: August 25, 2009, 09:40:10 AM »
So now I have an A500+ with 68000 processor, 8Mb FastRAM, 2Mb ChipRam and a GVP HD8+. I know that compared to what people have over here my specifications don't look so great (mostly from a processor perspective). However I have run out of things to do with the machine (playing does not feel the same nor have the time) and therefore was wondering if I can reach my long ago goal to make this machine browse the internet.

I found a good tutorial here:
http://peta.mobilserver.cz/amiga/

This tutorial seem to indicate that browsing the Internet on a stock A500 is possible.

Now my question is a little bit different. At home I have an ADSL connection and a Wireless Network that shares the ADSL connection with all the PC's. My laptop connects to the Wireless network and therefore can access Internet.

So what are my options to share these resources (ADSL) on my Amiga (if any)? Or the only way for an Amiga to connect to the Internet is through dial up?

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2009, 10:25:20 AM »
If you are looking for a world of pain and challenge with failure being the most likely option then go for it. Haveing the GVP will help you get there quicker.
Once you have a tcpip stack with a gateway defined you will be able to FTP and HTTP(Browse) to the internet using your adsl.  As long as you can fit everything in 10Mb.
A network card might be a challenge though..Thus the tutorial use of serial and a modem..

Good luck...!
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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2009, 11:28:53 AM »
Quote from: gertsy;520846
If you are looking for a world of pain and challenge with failure being the most likely option then go for it. Haveing the GVP will help you get there quicker.
Once you have a tcpip stack with a gateway defined you will be able to FTP and HTTP(Browse) to the internet using your adsl.  As long as you can fit everything in 10Mb.
A network card might be a challenge though..Thus the tutorial use of serial and a modem..

Good luck...!

You can easily fit TCP/IP, an IRC Client, and possibly IBrowse (without too many tabs open) inside 10MB... (You can fit Miami and AmIRC inside 2MB - I tried it on WinUAE...)

I'd say having the extra memory makes this possible, the only issue is what to connect your Amiga via... on my A1200 I use Wifi through the PCMCIA port, i'm guessing on the A1200 it will be the serial port... but how do you configure the serial to connect on the Windows/Linux/Host side?

But yeah, it definitely is possible.

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 12:19:31 PM »
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... but how do you configure the serial to connect on the Windows/Linux/Host side?

Alex.


You need to configure a SLIP connection from the Amiga to the PeeCee.  Good luck.

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 12:25:32 PM »
Ok, Excluding the physical connection - what software do I need? I am asking this because I feel that some of the software mentioned in the tutorial (link above) is especially required for a dialup connection.
 

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 01:05:12 PM »
A good guide to installing/using AmiTCP:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/

What can be done on reasonably low-end classic machines:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070311022508/http://www.amiga600.net/
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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 02:42:52 PM »
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Ok, Excluding the physical connection - what software do I need? I am asking this because I feel that some of the software mentioned in the tutorial (link above) is especially required for a dialup connection.


You create a SLIP connection with Miami.  Good luck.

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 03:25:33 PM »
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A good guide to installing/using AmiTCP:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/


Can the configurations defined here be changed at a later stage? Or I would need to re-install everything again? Also after I get AmiTCP to work, then it means I just need to install some form of browser and I am ready?
 

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 03:55:15 PM »
Has anyone managed to get a slip connection working between the amiga and pc for sharing internet?. I tried once on a win98 machine i have and on another xp box, but couldn't get it to work.
Thanks in advance!!!!.



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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 04:09:37 PM »
I got it working between A1200 , serial cable ( null modem), and win2k machine, and win98se machine
 
dont ask me how though was sooo long ago, but you can defo get it working
 
from memory you have to use a special serial device
 
you then have to setup an inccomming connection in windows
 
then share internet with that connection
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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 06:10:03 PM »
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Can the configurations defined here be changed at a later stage? Or I would need to re-install everything again? Also after I get AmiTCP to work, then it means I just need to install some form of browser and I am ready?


You can change them in the conf files. Nice and easy, some of it is very similar to Linux nextworking.
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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 07:03:58 PM »
Nine or ten aeons ago I got the KA9Q Amiga port working on an A500 through a nullmodem to a peecee... But if memory serves I got nothing more than a Lynx port, a rudimentary IRC client, telnet and ftp to actually "work". That may be generous- it was like 1996.

The goal was to get it working with the ip vhf packet network back then.

The newer stacks are much more user-friendly. Good luck!
 

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 10:21:38 PM »
I used these instructions to get Amiga and winXP connected over tcp/ip:
http://bwinton.latte.ca/Palm/ppp.html

more elegant solution is to get an old hub/router that has rs233 port!
I have one such device, it was supposed to use the rs232 dialup modem as uplink.
ebay probably has some as usual.

I think cisco still makes some new routers with rs232 port but of course those are very expensive and not for home use.

that way you don't need PC.
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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 12:07:41 AM »
Quote from: huronking;520887
Nine or ten aeons ago I got the KA9Q Amiga port working on an A500 through a nullmodem to a peecee... But if memory serves I got nothing more than a Lynx port, a rudimentary IRC client, telnet and ftp to actually "work". That may be generous- it was like 1996.

The goal was to get it working with the ip vhf packet network back then.

The newer stacks are much more user-friendly. Good luck!


VHF Packet network? Another radio ham?

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Re: A500+ Internet
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 01:48:47 AM »
I wouldn't bother.  Although it's amazing that you can do it, the actual experiance isn't much fun.  Even with my A1200 (wireless PCMICA/ADSL) with an 030, 64mb running in 1024x768 it is very painful and only usable on 'basic' sites.
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