A500+ Internet

[NovaCoder]

I wouldn't bother.  Although it's amazing that you can do it, the actual experiance isn't much fun.  Even with my A1200 (wireless PCMICA/ADSL) with an 030, 64mb running in 1024x768 it is very painful and only usable on 'basic' sites.

[scuzzb494]

Hi

I have my A1200 on the network with broadband connection. I use Miami D and Samba plus YAM. Whilst the actual internet isn`t that great, having the Amiga mailing on broadband and being able to move files about quickly to several computers is very useful. Samba was a bit of a pig to start with but eventually I got there. I have scripts linked to icons on the Workbench that connect to several other computer drives for easy access. They work very much as extra drive space for the Amiga.

scuzz

[jjans]

So now I have an A500+ with 68000 processor, 8Mb FastRAM, 2Mb ChipRam and a GVP HD8+. I know that compared to what people have over here my specifications don't look so great (mostly from a processor perspective). However I have run out of things to do with the machine (playing does not feel the same nor have the time) and therefore was wondering if I can reach my long ago goal to make this machine browse the internet.

I found a good tutorial here:
http://peta.mobilserver.cz/amiga/

This tutorial seem to indicate that browsing the Internet on a stock A500 is possible.

Now my question is a little bit different. At home I have an ADSL connection and a Wireless Network that shares the ADSL connection with all the PC's. My laptop connects to the Wireless network and therefore can access Internet.

So what are my options to share these resources (ADSL) on my Amiga (if any)? Or the only way for an Amiga to connect to the Internet is through dial up?

Regards,
Sim085

I did this some time ago on my 68030.
 
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15793
 
Screenshot looks like this:
 
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/1394/1_2322.gif

[jjans]

hmm I see the link to the mdmhayes.inf I posted back in 2003 is now dead. I have a copy of the driver if needed,  and can post it if anyone wants it. This is what I used to set up the null modem in Windows.

[cpfuture]

Should be possible to get on the Internet with an A500+ with your config, but like stated before, browsing won't be such a fantastic experience, although it is fun just to see your A500 online

Here are some instructions I wrote some time ago on how to configure PPP over a serial cable to a PC running Linux or a Mac:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40436
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=288118

[Jiffy]

As mentioned before, it is nice from a technical perspective, but that's about it.

Browsing the web on my well expanded A1200 (68060, 64 MB) is no fun at all. Amiga browsers don't work nicely with modern web standards, while the Amiga itself is simply to slow (even with turboboards and graphics cards) to make browsing the web an enjoyable experience.

FTP works much better, as does e-mail. Browsing is a no go for me.

[sim085]

I am not really into connecting my A500+ to a PC (through a null modem) and then share Internet resources like that. I like the idea of connecing the A500+ to an 'old' hub more. However how would I connect my A500+ to the hub? As much as I know my A500+ does not have any place where to connect a telephone wire!

[Jiffy]

I am not really into connecting my A500+ to a PC (through a null modem) and then share Internet resources like that. I like the idea of connecing the A500+ to an 'old' hub more. However how would I connect my A500+ to the hub? As much as I know my A500+ does not have any place where to connect a telephone wire!

The only realistic option if you want to use ADSL/cable is a null modem cable. A500 networkcards are rarer than hen's teath.

There are some (very) rare hubs with which you can use a null modemcable to connect to it.

Again, from a technical perspective it can be an interesting project, but I wouldn't call it fun to use in the real world. Browsing the web with an Amiga is a pain, even when heavily expanded. Let alone a humble A500(+) with a plain 68k @ 7 Mhz.

Otoh, you can also browse the web on a C64... ;-)

[sim085]

The only realistic option if you want to use ADSL/cable is a null modem cable. A500 networkcards are rarer than hen's teath.

I never saw any in fact. Do you know of any. I am just interested to see where they fit.

There are some (very) rare hubs with which you can use a null modemcable to connect to it.

Ok, I understand now - the null modem connects to the hub and the hub connects to the ADSL modem right? or?

Again, from a technical perspective it can be an interesting project, but I wouldn't call it fun to use in the real world. Browsing the web with an Amiga is a pain, even when heavily expanded. Let alone a humble A500(+) with a plain 68k @ 7 Mhz.

Otoh, you can also browse the web on a C64... ;-)

I do not know if i'll manage to do it. However I have my laptop to browse the internet. All I want is the see it work and maybe send some email or two ... with the title; I am sending this from my A500+

[Cammy]

I wonder with one of these cables (with a 25-9pin adapter) would it be possible to hook an Amiga up to a hub via the serial port to one of the ethernet ports?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RS232-DB9-Serial-to-RJ45-Cat5-Ethernet-Adapter-Cable-DE_W0QQitemZ320414237516QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9a2d434c&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

Going online with an Amiga can be a lot of fun, you just need patience. You should at least be able to comfortably chat to your friends on IRC and MSN through your expanded A500, Telnet, send email and FTP easily, read news, play MUDs, and browse the web too, although you'll need AWeb or an older version of IBrowse.

[sim085]

http://cgi.ebay.com/RS232-DB9-Serial-to-RJ45-Cat5-Ethernet-Adapter-Cable-DE_W0QQitemZ320414237516QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9a2d434c&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

With such a cable why does it need to be an old hub and not a new one? Isn't that a normal RJ45!

[Cammy]

It wouldn't need an old hub, that's why I suggested it. It's a long shot though...

[Jiffy]

I never saw any in fact. Do you know of any. I am just interested to see where they fit.

I never saw one for real, only in pictures, but they do exist and connect to the A500's expansio port. Which makes connecting your GVP HD8+ impossible... :-)

Ok, I understand now - the null modem connects to the hub and the hub connects to the ADSL modem right? or?

Right. But even then it is not guaranteed to work: even if you can find a hub with an RS232 port, you should check if that particular hub has a connection to guide the signal from RS232 to the RJ45 connectors. Many hubs with an RS232 connector just use it to edit the settings of the hub itself, without being capable of transferring data to and from the RJ45 connectors.

I do not know if i'll manage to do it. However I have my laptop to browse the internet. All I want is the see it work and maybe send some email or two ... with the title; I am sending this from my A500+

E-mail will work nicely (albeit a little slow on a 68k), as does FTP, IRC and some other internetstuff. To be short: browsing the web sucks on any Amiga, the rest is ok.

If you have trouble locating an adequate hub (which would not be strange), connecting your Amiga to a pc with a null modem cable and use the pc as a sort of router/server is much easier to do and gives the same results in the end.

My A1200, 2000 & 3000 are all connected to my LAN and this works quite nicely. All of them use a 'real' ethernet card, which is very easy to set up.

[mr_a500]

I did this some time ago on my 68030.
 
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15793
 
Screenshot looks like this:
 
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/1394/1_2322.gif

My screenshot looks like this:

http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=22102&d=1247669879

[huronking]

VHF Packet network? Another radio ham?

M0SAZ this way.

Yessir... KT4QF here!

[ferix]

Maybe It could interest you.

I'm working in a Slip to Ethernet bridge. I have the prototype almost finished.
The idea behind It is to connect my 'shortly' expanded A500+ (no accelerator card, and only 1,5 Mb of chip ram... by now) to my network, and to the Internet by extension...
Basically, It takes the incoming IP datagrams from the ethernet, makes some simple processing (discard bad packets, check the target IP, etc...), and resends them to the serial port in Slip format.
In the other direction (Serial to Ethernet), It takes the datagrams from the serial port, and send them to the net, taking care of things such the ARP and all those other 'nasty' things
At first, It will only support Slip protocol. I guess PPP protocol will be added in the future.

I'll post some photos as soon as I can.