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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #74 from previous page: July 21, 2009, 01:12:53 AM »
On a side note, I really wish people hadn't been duped into believing MP3 is a good thing. That one little extension to MPEG-1 has all but killed innovation in digital audio formats. Better formats exist, certainly, but the perception that MP3 is "better" than even the lowly PCM used by CD-Audio has done almost irreparable damage. :-/ (EDIT: I'll concede that it beats lugging around a box of tapes with a Walkman, but that's about it. The tapes--with the hiss filtered out--do sound better, though.)

The good news is that modern music is rarely worth listening to, so we're not really missing anything. ;-)
 

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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2009, 02:01:02 AM »
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It was some good number, but you're forgetting one very important point.

Jeri didn't build a computer.  She built a way to play all your old favorite C64 games in a joystick form.  

Unless that machine is comparable to what is currently available in the PC and/or Mac world both on a price and performance level, then I'm afraid you'd be in for a bit of disappointment.

Most people cannot fathom paying $2k (or even 1k)+ for a desktop machine with an unsupported OS that runs slower than their $399 laptop from Dell.  Dedicated hobbyists, sure, but they're not "normal" where the average computer buyer is concerned.

Build the Amiga on a joystick, add in the top 50 games and/or a way to import them off of SD memory card and yeah, it'd sell a few hundred thousand at best, but that's still not enough, because it's sales/impact would be a short-lived event and there's not much to follow that up with...

Everyone these days wants real computers, or wants popular and expandable game consoles (XBox PS3, Wii, etc) but no one wants an underpowered, overpriced desktop solution with zero software support.

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I think OS4 'could' become a reasonably successful OS.  Obviously they need some capital injection, an end to the legal BS, cheaper hw and a respected company at the helm but it is not beyond the realm of possibility.  You can also get a snowball effect happening, now that they are selling OS4 HW and you can get the SDK, more developers will bring stuff to the table (and fix things up) which will persuade more people (realistically just ex-Amiga fans at the moment) that it's worth joining in the fun.  If things keep moving forward you might even be able to use your OS4 machine as you only computer one day ;)

You've also got something like the MiniMig.  I believe there is a good market for a cheap multi-FPGA implementation of a classic AGA+ chipset, esp if it was packaged and marketed properly by the respected parent company I mentioned earlier.  You could not only sell it as a drop-in replacement for classic case users, but also in a retro-styled mini-ATX case :)
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2009, 02:15:38 AM »
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That's the problem isn't it "anyone who's ever used an Amiga". It's the same attitude that keeps Linux from being usable by anyone on the desktop, the developers and existing user are all used too it's fault and "know" what they need to do already.

New users are scorned and told to read the forums etc. It takes someone techy enough to get past all of that and start using it, by the time you've done so, you're one of those who already knows what extras you need.

In essence what you are saying is that for any new OS to be successful its gotta be more or less the same of what people have been using. Fine then, stick to winblows.  Why would that user want to change to a different OS if all they want is the same as what they are used to? They wouldn't. The target market for a AmigOS is not people who have never used Amiga before, its ex-Amigans. And there are lots of those.  All would know what "snapshot" and DOpus mean.

With Linux its not just a case of "its different, so thats what's stopping it from being used on the desktop.  The major problem with it has been not that its different, its that it requires a familiarity with the CLI.  That requires a good familiarity with the file and directory structure as well as user heirarchies.  This is not the same thing as pulling down a menu with an item "snapshot" in it and trying it out to see what it does.  Done once its never forgotten, unlike CLI commands and switches. Or double clicking on an icon that says "DOpus file manager", with a buttons that say "drives", "copy", "move", "delete", "unarchive", "play", "show" etc, etc.

If i had a decent browser, and media support, pdf support most of what I use my Windows PC for would be covered.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2009, 04:10:08 AM »
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I have no first-hand knowledge, sad to say.  It seems that Bill stopped talking to me about a year or so ago when I expressed my general disinterest at a ping he made as to using Amiga.org to support the cell-phone gaming community.  


I emailed him way back to see if he was interested in either doing a production run of the Minimig v1.1.  I thought that it might open a market for pre-loaded SD cards with an official Amiga ROM and some games and an opportunity to sell those ADFs of classic Amiga games they have on their shop website to more people.

He replied and was very polite, but wasn't interested.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2009, 07:32:02 AM »
Amiga vs. Hyperion crisis is the product of careless PR and management by Amiga Inc. It's very odd to see series of unfortunate events.

This is a crazy idea, but I personally think the only way for Amiga to survive is to completely open source AmigaOS up to 3.1 and its 68000 hardwares under an agreement with Amiga Inc., the holder.

More resources, more insights to cherish the old, and bring in the new, so that the spirit of Amiga still lives on.
 

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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2009, 11:02:01 AM »
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2009, 11:38:47 AM »
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Written by someone who couldn't work out what "snapshot" in the menu was for. And he looked for a built in file manager, when anyone who's ever used an Amiga would have DOpus installed.

 
As stated though the reviwer never had, so what iss your point.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2009, 07:16:59 AM »
Since AmigaOS 4.1 is available on a new device, and it is being sold without word from the distributors that Amiga, Inc has threatened legal action against them, I would conclude that an agreement was reached for Amiga to allow Hyperion to continue with the release.

If I recall from a few years ago, AmigaOS4 was always planned on being a native PPC OS regardless, so at least that part has been completed. AmigaOS5 was supposed to be the next platform. ...
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2009, 02:39:12 PM »
This is a crazy idea, but I personally think the only way for Amiga to survive is to completely open source AmigaOS up to 3.1 and its 68000 hardwares under an agreement with Amiga Inc., the holder.
 I  think Amiga Inc. could still turn a few bucks by licensing some Chinese or other factory to make a new run of a few thousand A1200 and possibly A4000T; just look at the prices units bring on ebay.Considering  with the  huge drop in most computer parts from a decade ago such  a rerun could be priced well under original prices.
 Another idea might be selling a commodity PC with Amiga Forever pre-installed.
 Any Amiga rejuvenation really needs an updated web browser/email since I am sure that is the biggest use of home computers.
 

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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2009, 02:51:07 PM »
Open source or die. It's pretty obvious, I think, but seriously doubt that it will ever happen.
 

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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2009, 06:57:47 PM »
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Open source or die. It's pretty obvious, I think, but seriously doubt that it will ever happen.


Why bother when we already have AROS in x86 and PPC.  I wouldn't be too suprised to see AROS on ARM either.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2009, 07:12:12 PM »
The big drawback on AROS is the lack of hardware support, the last few "clunkers" (p3/p4) I've laid my hands on couldn't load AROS, but running it in Fusion it seems to be a nice OS...
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2009, 10:21:45 PM »
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The big drawback on AROS is the lack of hardware support, the last few "clunkers" (p3/p4) I've laid my hands on couldn't load AROS, but running it in Fusion it seems to be a nice OS...


The biggest advantage of AROS compared to OS4 and MOS is that it boots and is usable on lots and lots of hardware out there. If you've been unlucky you should have turned to Aros-Exec for help, there's a lot of happy people willing to help you whenever they can. I have access to a lot of Fujitsu-Seimens PC's for example and I have a hard time finding one that doesn't boot Aros nowdays.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2009, 10:26:47 PM »
That's it, I've got enough spare PCs and laptops lying around, time to try AROS.
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #88 on: August 01, 2009, 12:23:46 AM »
I for one applaud Hyperion for all their work on bringing OS4.1 & Sam440 to fruition! I wish all Amigans would buy OS4.1 & support their efforts :-)
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Re: Amiga vs. Hyperion - Any updates?
« Reply #89 on: August 01, 2009, 12:24:02 AM »
Well, that was fun, probably would've played with it longer if it supported WiFi.
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