real amiga vs winuae

[Gibbersan]

I agree with Karlos here.  Regarding WinUAE, if it runs everything you need to run with it, what's the problem with using it on a modern computer?

[Jose]

@paolone

"Jose has made a post that just brought here another questionable attitude with technology we can agree with or not. Jose has all the rights to decide that the best feature for a music recording equipment is a fast boot time, but if I had to record music I have in my head, I would be happier to wait 2 more seconds to do that on modern applications for MacOS X and, why not, Windows, which maybe will provide more processing options, memory and CPU power to do all."

Hey I didn't say I used it to do music production but even then it's perfectly doable, PC/Mac is better for production didn't arg against that...

"As I have already said, I consider all this "my computer boots before yours" total crap, something that a serious user should never even think for an architecture comparison. First of all, 'cos boot time depends on too many factors, and all over because in the real world (the one where normal people with normal attitudes live) it doesn't matter how many seconds you need to boot a system, but instead the time (hours, days, maybe months and years) that the same system can stay turned on, without a shutdown or a reboot (we call it "uptime"). Are our Amigas enough stable to outperform Windows, Linux or MacOS X uptimes?""

You're wrong. It all depends on the application, what will the machine be doing. There are some rarer cases where boot time is critical, I just gave you one. Another one is the settobox market, in an AV system you normally want to sit on the living room turn on the equipment and start watching TV, not wait 30 seconds or more (not that there is any Amiga software doing DVB reception which is a shame..).
By the way, there is an attitute towards technology, oposite to the one you describe, that is not very smart either, which is to buy the latest super duper hardware to do things that don't need it. It's like buying a Ferrari to go buy bread at the supermarket.
The low memory footprint and multitasking speed and efficiency of the AmigaOS architecture could find market niches, there's just not anyone marketing any product with it.

[Karlos]

. There are some rarer cases where boot time is critical, I just gave you one. Another one is the settobox market, in an AV system you normally want to sit on the living room turn on our equipment and start watching TV, not wait 30 seconds or more (not that there is any software doing DVB reception which is a shame..).

This is true, but there are already better solutions out there. Embedded devices with static memory are the best suited for such applications. Anything that actually has to "boot" in the conventional sense will produce a delay that many people wouldn't expect from consumer electronics.

[Jose]

Looking back it seems that you guys are comparing classic Amiga hardware only VS PC, so my settopbox example doesn't apply here...

[Karlos]

Looking back it seems that you guys are comparing classic Amiga hardware only VS PC, so my settopbox example doesn't apply here...

Nevertheless, as a "boot timing is critical" example, it's the only one I could really support. People don't like delays from appliances.

[koaftder]

My custom computer built around a pic18f processor cold boots in under 70ms and begins displaying the temperatures from single wire thermal sensors distributed around my apartment to a vt220 terminal therefor it's more powerful than any Amiga, PC, Mac, or Ti calculator. I have you all beat.

[Karlos]

My custom computer built around a pic18f processor cold boots in under 70ms and begins displaying the temperatures from single wire thermal sensors distributed around my apartment to a vt220 terminal therefor it's more powerful than any Amiga, PC, Mac, or Ti calculator. I have you all beat.

The two light switches in my hallway act as a 2 input OR gate that has no boot delay at all.

I win.

[smerf]

Hi,

@danybebe,

Depends how much you are willing to spend, I have an Amiga 4000 and an Amiga 3000, to play a lot of the games you have to look to see if it is pal or ntsc, then you have to look at what kind of graphics it uses, aga or occ or ecc, then you have to decide wheter or not it needs the program degrader, keep a pen handy so that you can mark all your disks with what it took to start up that software on the Amiga you decide to use.

Now the Emulator, I use AF2008, on a Quad Core, it is super fast, the music rarely slows it down but does not give the same sound quality as the original Amiga, the graphics are a little blocky compared to the original Amiga (i will probably get flamed for this but i will try to explain) the pc uses square pixels while the Amiga used round pixels the round pixels seem to blend better than the square pixels on the PC you can especilly see this in some old Amiga demos, while they looked good on the orginal Amigas they look squared out on the PC emulation. I use Amiga forever with Amikit, and am completely happy, but once again getting your software there and running is sometimes a pain, you have to try to convert it over with WHD or something like that. I can't remember the program since I bought a CD off ebay with something like 3500 games on it in this format, with AF 2008 it loads it right in off the CD.

smerf

[smerf]

HI,

Well said cecilla, (hope I spelled it right, my memory is starting to slip)
I think I'll add another gigabyte, to enhance the 2 I have left.

smerf

[bloodline]

The two light switches in my hallway act as a 2 input OR gate that has no boot delay at all.

I win.

Ok, With this example Karlos does actually win! He has found the simplest  useful binary computer that we probably all have in our own homes!

[Karlos]

Ok, With this example Karlos does actually win! He has found the simplest  useful binary computer that we probably all have in our own homes!

Some of you posh house dwelling barstewards might even have a XOR switch on your staircase. It's a common arrangement for such contrivances. Living in a flat, I don't have or require this particular gate.

[koaftder]

Ok, With this example Karlos does actually win! He has found the simplest  useful binary computer that we probably all have in our own homes!

He hasn't won yet! There is a delay between flipping the switch and getting the result. I have such an arrangement in my apartment. We're going to have to measure the length of the wire runs to get to the bottom of this.

[GadgetMaster]

He hasn't won yet! There is a delay between flipping the switch and getting the result. I have such an arrangement in my apartment. We're going to have to measure the length of the wire runs to get to the bottom of this.

Whats if you have one of them fancy wireless remote switches? :banana:

[Karlos]

I don't think there's much wire length in my hallway OR gate. It's a small hallway. Fabricated using 1m process...

[bloodline]

He hasn't won yet! There is a delay between flipping the switch and getting the result. I have such an arrangement in my apartment. We're going to have to measure the length of the wire runs to get to the bottom of this.

It's not about settle time of the circuit... Boot time only really needs to account for the time taken to reset, and be ready to accept user input... Karlos's Example has the fastest boot time...

[GadgetMaster]

It's not about settle time of the circuit... Boot time only really needs to account for the time taken to reset, and be ready to accept user input... Karlos's Example has the fastest boot time...

Ah! to sort of get the thread back on topic, if a light switch simulation was written, which would be better? The real light switch array or the virtual one running on a blazingly fast computer?