Relative merits of AmigaOne compared to Pegasos?

[vortexau]

GadgetMaster wrote:

Wayne wrote:
Is there somewhere that I could apply to be 100% credited with a quote?  A "quotemark" per se?  :-)

Wayne

Well I have submitted it to http://www.quoteworld.org/ and credited to yourself.

Now lets just wait and see if they publish it  :-D

Here's a NEW one, spur of the moment:
"The BETAS go on; la-de-la-de-da!" (with compliments to Sonny & Cher!) :-D

[GadgetMaster]

Here's a NEW one, spur of the moment:
"The BETAS go on; la-de-la-de-da!" (with compliments to Sonny & Cher!) :-D

 :lol:

[Hooligan_DCS]

"Contrary to what has been stated before, this site seems more wiegted towards the pegasos than the AmigaOne, if this is due to pegaos promotors being more vocal on not is really a non issue, whilst Amigaworld.net seems more wieghted towards AmigaOne and the "official" solution."


Yet both sites seem to lack those "hundreds and hundreds" of A1 owners defending their purchase. Go figure.
A bit sad really if the people from market of 600 outmatch the market of 2-3 times more people.. the Amiga spirit seems to be gone then.

[realstar]

If you want to see a bit more about MorphOS in
specific you can read a review/overview here too:

http://browse.to/emerald/review/review.html

Pegasos II is good choice for anyone that
enjoys/enjoyed using the classic Amiga
systems and now wants something more modern
that is still being developed/supported.

[Wilse]

@Hooligan_DCS:

I bought both.
Why should I have to defend my purchase of either?

I don't see what that has to do with the 'amiga spirit'.

[JoannaK]

Wayne & all.. By the time there is any program (Game) that really
for Amiga/Pegasos that needs AGP*8, new computers have PCI-Express
connectivity instead of AGP and PCI..

Only commercial games/ports I know that are supposed to be released
this year are EPIC:s Northland and Divine Divinity (both for MorphOS).
And neither of those are much stress to current level of GFX chips.
Beoynd those I don't know any recent work on games. (*)

Early next year Intel will release their first motherboard chipsets
with PCI-Express and knowing their ability to puch innovations I'm
quite sure others follow soon. So by the time next versions of these
computers are made (next summer?) this entire AGP is old and
diminishing market.

I'm not saying AGP (or PCI) will be gone soon, but quite frankly
neither can I see those BIG game makers coming to Amiga markets RSN.
And making new game of todays standards requires 100:s people and a
lot of money. So even if someone wins lottery this weekend, it'll
still take at least a year or two to make high quality game.


Joanna

(*)  Plus Titan's Rage Hard, but it's sometime 2004...  I know
Hyperion had some game-ports on hold waiting for AmigaOne+OS4 ..
unfortunately those games are becoming quite old and are not much on
gfx anymore. Besides.. I'm not sure how soon they ran release their
coders on OS4 development for game projects cause OS4.1 and 4.2 needs
coders too.

[MikeB]

@ mingle

I'b be interested in getting a new PPC system (as opposed to a PPC card for my old machine) and have noticed that there are currently two real choices: An AmigaOne/Lite or a Pegasos II.

Hhm, considering most people seem to be talking about the AmigaOne-XE instead of answering your question I should give it a try.

First you need to ask yourself do you want AmigaOS4, MorphOS or do you just want to use Linux.

If you have decided and you chose AmigaOS4 then the AmigaOne-Lite will be the right option for you. If you decide to run MorphOS wait for the Pegasos2. And if you want to run Linux wait for both the Pegasos2 and AmigaOne-Lite to be demonstrated in combination with Linux. The AmigaOne-Lite should already be demonstrated running Linux this Saturday in Austria.

My advise is to test before you buy or at least wait for a reliable review and maybe comparison tests if both platforms become available simultaneously. Note that in the past endless claims have been made about one platform performing much better than the other, but in the end real life tests showed this wasn't actually true.

The MicroA1 (AmigaOne Lite) pricing has not yet to be announced but should be significantly cheaper than the AmigaOne-XE.  IMO the AmigaOne-XE is an excellent platform for developers and power users with better expansion options than the other mentioned solutions.

[Paul]

Wayne,

The distinction between these two sites (which really doesn't exist) is exactly why I recommended to Mingle that he completely ignore the inherent politics and personal opinions.

Of course, to get that recommendation, he will already have read through most of the replies he's received here. The "which really doesn't exist" might be getting a little closer to reality in the last week or so. But there's still a strong "hint" at whether red or blue is better at both sites.

Not to mention that some of the "official" A1 news is hosted at amigaworld.net.

Paul

[downix]

@MikeB

How will the MicroA1 be "significantly cheaper" than the A1?  It uses all the same parts of the A1, and then add even more on top of it.  The smaller form factor will only shave $10 off of the manufacturing price, and the loss of slots about $12 more.  The video chip + RAM alone will add more than you lost from the factor change, then add in the added functions and you find that the MicroA1 will cost more to produce than the A1.  So unless Eyetech plans on selling them at a lower profit point, it is most likely to cost the same if not more than the A1.

[Paul]

Hooligan,

Yet both sites seem to lack those "hundreds and hundreds" of A1 owners defending their purchase. Go figure.
A bit sad really if the people from market of 600 outmatch the market of 2-3 times more people.. the Amiga spirit seems to be gone then.

And to think that Wayne told me further up the list that the alleged differences between the sites were really non-existent.

Glad to do my little part to make A1 owners more openly represented at amiga.org

BTW, what is the "Amiga spirit?"  Incessant arguing?

Paul

[MikeB]

@ downix

There are development costs involved when producing new hardware. Commercial companies need to earn back these costs and usually try to make a profit as well.

As the AmigaOne-XE was only expected to sell a few thousand this drives the price up. Basicly the more you sell, the more development costs can be spread amongst more of your customers.

The AmigaOne-Lite is expected to sell in larger quantities. Why don't we see games like Doom3 developed exclusively for the Amiga today? The potential sales are no way near enough to cover the costs, etc.

[dammy]

by Tomas on 2003/10/24 13:02:02

well... aros is not a choice atm, as it has no tcp/ip stack and virtually no software :\
It seems very responisve and such, but cannot be used much when it lacks software to run on it

Yet, unlike OS4, it' s available *now*, not in 2004.  There is a fair chance AROS will have TCP/IP before OS4 is released to the public.  I rather have a OS now that's not complete, then run VaporOS.

Dammy

[dammy]

by MikeB on 2003/10/24 15:02:56

There are development costs involved when producing new hardware. Commercial companies need to earn back these costs and usually try to make a profit as well.

So what is the A1-Lite going to run cost wise?

Dammy

[amigamad]

Yet both sites seem to lack those "hundreds and hundreds" of A1 owners defending their purchase. Go figure.

I dont need to defend my purchase i made my choice and bought what i wanted i dont see why either a1 or pegasos owners should defend there purchase you buy what you want or what best suits what you want. :-)

And i can still get a pegasos 2 at a later date.

[that_punk_guy]

amigamad wrote:

I dont need to defend my purchase i made my choice and bought what i wanted i dont see why either a1 or pegasos owners should defend there purchase you buy what you want or what best suits what you want. :-)

Bloody right.

[Damion]

Contrary to what has been stated before, this site seems more wiegted towards the pegasos than the AmigaOne, if this is due to pegaos promotors being more vocal on not is really a non issue, whilst Amigaworld.net seems more wieghted towards AmigaOne and the "official" solution.

The AmigaOne is an "official" AmigaOne, and the
Pegasos is an "official" Pegasos... the A1 is also
'NOT' an "official" Pegasos...basically they are
equally official..